Solve Bending of Light Formula Problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the bending of light as described in the context of Schwarzschild geodesics. Participants are exploring the mathematical derivation of the angular deflection of light due to gravity, specifically focusing on the expansion in powers of the Schwarzschild radius.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the Taylor expansion mentioned in a Wikipedia passage about the bending of light and seeks assistance in deriving the formula.
  • Another participant suggests providing details of the attempted calculations to identify potential errors in the approach.
  • A third participant explains the calculation of null geodesics in the Schwarzschild metric, recommending the use of the Lagrangian and conservation laws to derive an equation for the trajectory of light, noting that it can lead to elliptic functions.
  • This participant also draws a parallel to solving the Kepler problem in Newtonian mechanics and provides links to relevant exercises and solutions in German.
  • A later reply indicates satisfaction with the provided explanation and resources.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the specific steps to derive the formula, as the initial poster is still seeking clarity, while others provide different approaches and resources.

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The discussion includes references to specific mathematical techniques and assumptions related to the Schwarzschild metric, but does not resolve the uncertainties in the derivation process or the application of the Taylor expansion.

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Good morning everybody. I have a problem with this wikipedia passage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_geodesics#Bending_of_light_by_gravity 'cause it says "Expanding in powers of rs/r, the leading order term in this formula gives the approximate angular deflection δφ for a massless particle coming in from infinity and going back out to infinity:". I tried to use Taylor formula and integrate but i can't reach that formula even considering orders. Can someone help me please? I'm just going crazy on a stupid expansion in powers xD Thank you in advance.
 
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Post the details of how you tried to work it out, and someone may be able to see where you went wrong.
 
That's the calculation of the null geodesic in the Schwarzschild metric. Just use the square form of the Lagrangian
$$L=\frac{1}{2} g_{\mu \nu} \dot{q}^{\mu} \dot{q}^{\nu}$$
and use the conservation laws, i.e., it's a planar motion ##\vartheta=0## from isotropy (rotation invariance), the Lagrangian=Hamiltonian is conserved, and also the canonical momentum of ##q^0=c t## is conserved, because the Schwarzschild metric is static. Using this you can derive an equation for ##r(\varphi)## which can be solved up to an integral, leading to some elliptic function. You can solve it exactly for when expanding in powers of ##r_S/r \ll 1## (for, e.g., our Sun).
The calculation is naturally very similar to what you are doing in Newtonian mechanics when solving the Kepler problem. You find the details in an exercise, we once gave at a cosmology lecture (however in German):

http://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/cosmo-SS12/blatt01.pdf (problem set)
http://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/cosmo-SS12/lsg01.pdf (solution)
 
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Perfect, that's exactly what i needed! Thank you very much!
 

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