Solve de Broglie Wavelength of Atoms in eV: Urgent Help

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The discussion revolves around calculating the de Broglie wavelength of atoms using energy values expressed in electron volts (eV). The original poster references a specific problem from an exam and attempts to derive the wavelength using the equation λ = h/p, incorporating kinetic energy into their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the de Broglie wavelength formula and the conversion of energy units. The original poster expresses confusion over unit conversions and the correct application of values in their calculations.

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Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's calculations, suggesting potential arithmetic or unit errors. There is an ongoing exploration of how to properly handle energy units and their implications for the calculations, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the importance of using consistent units throughout the calculations and question the appropriateness of converting eV to joules in this context. The original poster is working under exam conditions, which may impose additional constraints on their approach.

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Homework Statement


http://www.strings.ph.qmul.ac.uk/~russo/QP/r06QPHYEX.pdf
Question 3.

The Attempt at a Solution


I can easily derive the equation I need, which is:

lamda = h/p

Which after some playing around with K.E =1/2mv^2 etc we obtain:

lambda (de brogile) = h/SQRT(2mKE)

Here is the data we are provided with in the exam (see sheet 1): http://www.strings.ph.qmul.ac.uk/~russo/QP/week6.pdf

Everythings in eV and MeV, I plug in the values constantly, tried converting h to joules, and the electron mass to kg etc, but no avail as I don't think I know what I am doing with it, and I can't seem to obtain the real answer which is: 1.2 x10^-9m

Anyone explain how to do this quickly? I understand the theory behind this top notch but missed on how to use eV etc.

THANKS.
 
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The equation appears to be right (I plugged in values and got the right answer), what kind of answers are you getting? It's probably just an arithmetic error, or a unit error.
 
Thanks for the reply!

I plugged in:
4.14x10^-21 / SQRT(2 x 0.511 x 1.6x10-24) = 3.2 x 10-9.

I converted 1eV into MeV. Where am I going wrong with this?
If I convert everything to eV and use:
4.14x10^-15 / SQRT(2 x 511 x 1.6x10-19) = 3.2 x 10-7m

Still wrong, and I'm ripping my hair out on this!
 
Well, when you use electron volts, what speed comes out? It's not meters/second, but rather c.

Also, you have some wrong values. The electron is 511keV = .511MeV (correct for your calculation in MeV) = 511000eV (incorrect when you plugged it in eV).

Also, you're converting 1 eV into joules which doesn't make sense since you used everything else in eV.
 
So how would I go about doing this?

Would I multiply the value of the rest mass by (3x10^8)^2 to obtain the MeV value?
 
no, because then you get a dimensionless unit (or /s or something weird like that).

What you want to realize is first, don't convert your 1eV into 1.602*10^-19 Joules, and 2 at the end realize that your answer is given as a fraction of c (times seconds).

How would you then convert the answer to the correct one? Well, multiply your answer by the value of c.

The units will be weird, but the procedure should get you the right answer at the end.
 

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