Solve Equilibrium 3D Problem: Find Reaction at O and Cable Tensions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a 3D equilibrium problem involving the calculation of reactions at a joint and tensions in cables. Participants explore the application of static equilibrium equations and the determination of unit vectors based on a provided diagram.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to derive unit vectors from a diagram, specifically questioning the components of a vector given by their teacher.
  • Another participant suggests finding the coordinates of points involved in the problem to better understand the vector components.
  • A participant explains the process of calculating the unit vector by subtracting coordinates of two points and normalizing the resulting vector.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of dimensions in the diagram, with one participant correcting another's misunderstanding of the axes.
  • Participants discuss the calculation of weight and its representation as a vector, emphasizing the importance of direction and magnitude in the context of forces.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the assistance received and notes that their understanding of the problem has improved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods for calculating unit vectors and the representation of forces, but there are moments of confusion and differing interpretations regarding the diagram and the axes. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of a definitive solution to the original problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants rely on visual interpretations of the diagram, which may lead to different conclusions about the coordinates and vector components. There is also a reliance on the teacher's previous explanations, which may not be fully understood by all participants.

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Homework Statement


Find the reaction in the socket and joint at O and the tension in each cable.
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/7585/hwstaticod1.jpg

Homework Equations


\sum{F_{x}} = 0
\sum{F_{y}} = 0
\sum{M} = 0
r x F = M

The Attempt at a Solution


My teacher actually solved the problem for us. But I when I go back and tried to follow what he did, I came across a few problem. So I'll just start with question 1 first, hopefully I'll be able to solve the rest.

First, my teacher list out all the unit vector.

Tac= \frac{-1}{\sqrt{6}}i + \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}j - \frac{2}{\sqrt{6}}k

My question is, how can I look at the graph and get i, j, k? I understand where the \sqrt{6} comes from, but not the number on top.
 
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that picture is so small i can't see it..
 
heheh sorry. I forgot to check preview the post before posting. It's fix :D
 
hmm k well its pres easy just look at the dimensions given. From the picture look at the AXIS first, i repersents x , j represents the y axis, and k represents z.

SO TAC is going in the negative x and z direction while since its going UP not down its positive y. Now look at the dimensions. At the moment since ur having problems visualizing i think rather then just looking at picking the i j and k components DIRECTLY you should find the (x,y,z) of point c and (x,y,z) of point a.

so tehrefore

point c (-1m,+1m,0m)
point a (0m,0m,+2m)


now u want Tac so subtract c-a = (-1,1,-2) BUt to find a unit vector the form is

Tac = T*lambda(ac) = T*vector ac/magnitudeac

vector ac u know (-1,1,-2)
magnitude of ac is just the root of the sum of the squares root((-1)^2+(1)^2+(-2)^2) = root6

Tac = T*(-1,1,-2)
...----------
...root6
 
Thank you salman! This way seems much easier. Hehe I got point a, but I still don't see how you got c. From the origin, it seems to me, z = 1, and x = 0.

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6337/hwstaticaj3.jpg
 
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ahh i see umm the problem is ur viewing it wrong i think

that 1 m u circled in red is ALONG THE X axis NOT the z axis. Basically its not from the Y axis OUT OF THE PAGE its HORIZONTALLY along the X axis.


http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3694/14739152uh7.jpg
 
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Thank you. I see it now. But I have another question. The next unit vector is T(be) = 0i + 0j - 1k.

But from the picture, I see

E = 1.5i + 0j + 0k
B = 1.5i + 0j + 2k

T(be) = 0i + 0j - 2k
 
sourlemon said:
Thank you. I see it now. But I have another question. The next unit vector is T(be) = 0i + 0j - 1k.

But from the picture, I see

E = 1.5i + 0j + 0k
B = 1.5i + 0j + 2k

T(be) = 0i + 0j - 2k

You list the vector, not the unit vector. Don't forget to divide by the magnitude. Or you can think of it this way...the magnitude of a unit vector is 1. Since you have only one component, it's value must be = 1.
 
Oohhhh, I forgot about that. Thank you FredGarvin :D

Heheh I have a new question, again with unit vector.

I have the weight as \frac{.75}{2.14}i + 0j + \frac{2}{2.14}k, but my teacher has it as 0i -1j + 0k.

\sqrt{.75^{2} + 2^{2}} = 2.14
 
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when ur looking at the mass what points did u subtract?
the weight acts DIRECTLY downwards therefore it only has a Y COMPONENT.

When dealing with weights just multiply the mass by 9.81
400 kg in this case by 9.81 to get force (f=mg)

that force in NEWTONS will basically be the y component..


(0i - (400*9.81)j + 0K)

it is negative since the weight is acting DOWNWARDS...
 
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I didn't subtract it from anything. I got the points from the origin.

I worked out the problem, it matches with my teacher now :D Thank you.

Thank you very very much for answering all my questions. You make static seems like a learnable subject ;) I'll be sure to come back for more question. :D
 

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