Solve Escalator Question Homework: Walk Up & Down Moving/Stalled Escalator

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The problem involves a shopper navigating a moving escalator, with specific times given for walking up a stationary escalator and for the escalator moving upwards. The questions focus on the time taken to walk up and down the escalator when it is moving, as well as a comparative analysis of time taken when the escalator is stalled.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of net velocities for the shopper and escalator, with some attempting to apply the concept of relative motion to find the time taken for each scenario.
  • Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the third part of the problem, particularly what is meant by "faster" or "slower" in relation to the escalator's movement.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations for the first part of the problem, while others are exploring the implications of these calculations for the second part. There is ongoing confusion about the third part, with multiple interpretations being considered. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of net velocities, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach for all parts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note uncertainty about the assumptions underlying the problem, particularly regarding the definitions of speed and time in relation to the escalator's movement. There is also mention of previous attempts being limited, which may affect the discussion dynamics.

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Homework Statement



A shopper in a department store can walk up a stationary escalator in 30 s. The normally functioning "up" escalator can carry the standing shopper to the next floor in 42 s. Assume the same walking effort for the shopper whether the escalator is stalled or moving.

How long will it take the shopper to walk up the moving escalator?

How long will it take the shopper to walk down this upward moving escalator?

If she escalator is stalled, the shopper will make the trip up and down the escalator:

Faster
Slower
In the same time
None of these

Homework Equations



I did not use any to solve the first part. I am unsure about the second part though.

The Attempt at a Solution



For the first question:

1 / 30 + 1 / 42 = 2 / 35
35 / 2 = 17.5 seconds

I don't even really know where to start on the second part.

I already wasted two attempts on this third part so the answer is either quicker or slower.

This problem should be fairly easy to understand but for some reason I cannot wrap my head around the second and third parts.

Any help is appreciated, thanks.
 
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In the second part, the net velocity of the shopper is the difference of velocity of shopper and escalator.
 
If you got the first part by doing this:

1 / 30 + 1 / 42 = 2 / 35

How come you couldn't get the second part by doing this?:

1 / 30 - 1 / 42 = ...

I really don't understand the third question. Faster or slower than what? Moving up the escalator? Going down the escalator?
 
rl.bhat said:
In the second part, the net velocity of the shopper is the difference of velocity of shopper and escalator.

So that would mean that the net velocity of the shopper is 42 - 30 = 12. 42 is the velocity of the escalator and 30 is the velocity of the shopper. I do not know where to go from there. I do know that the answer has to be more than 30 because the shopper is walking downward with some upward related rate against her.

ideasrule said:
If you got the first part by doing this:

1 / 30 + 1 / 42 = 2 / 35

How come you couldn't get the second part by doing this?:

1 / 30 - 1 / 42 = ...

I really don't understand the third question. Faster or slower than what? Moving up the escalator? Going down the escalator?

I do not know if that would give me the correct answer for part two. I tried it and I came up with 1 / 105. If I take the inverse of that I get 105 which seems awfully high. I know the answer must be over thirty but 105 seconds to walk down an escalator that takes people up to the second floor slower than they can walk seems high. What do you think?

For part three, the question is saying that if the escalator is stalled the shopper will make the trip up and down (combined) ... faster or slower.
 

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