Navigating Wind: Solving Plane and Escalator Problems

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems involving vector analysis and relative motion. The first problem concerns a plane flying in the presence of wind, requiring the determination of the angle and speed relative to the ground. The second problem involves a man walking on a stalled escalator and the time it would take him to reach the top if he walked on a moving escalator.

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  • Participants explore vector representation for the plane's motion and question the application of the Law of Cosines. There is uncertainty about how to determine the angle the plane must fly. For the escalator problem, one participant suggests writing expressions for the velocities involved, while others express confusion about the relationship between walking and escalator speeds.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, sharing their thoughts and attempts. Some have provided hints and suggestions for approaching the problems, but there is no clear consensus or resolution yet.

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Participants note the assumption of constant speeds and the potential complexity of the vector relationships involved in the plane problem. There is also mention of the need for clarity regarding the escalator's motion and the implications for the man's walking speed.

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Homework Statement



Assume all speeds are constant.

(a) A plane flies at speed vstill = 203 km/h in still air. Now, there is a wind blowing at speed vw = 77.6 km/h, with its direction at 30.4 degrees to the east of north. If the pilot wishes to fly due north with the wind blowing, find:
- θ, the angle between the direction the plane flies and due north.


- vp, the speed at which the plane will fly relative to the ground.
(b) A man walks up a stalled escalator in time tw = 89.3 s. If he stands on the moving escalator, he reaches to top in time tm = 26.4 s. Find twm, the time it would take him to reach the top if he walked up the moving escalator?

Homework Equations


The only one I think that is possible is the Law of Cosines.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have one vector going directly North because that is what we began with. Then there is a Northeast wind blowing, which is 30.4°. I put this vector's tail at the tail of the first vector going North. The resultant vector is then 141.8 if we use the Law of Cosines. As for the angle that the plane must fly, I'm at a loss, and have no idea. You don't necessarily have to tell me the answer, but where do I begin?

For the second question, I just have no idea at all.
 
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I know I shouldn't be double-posting, but I just wanted to bump it so that people know I edited the post. I saw a mistake, and now it better reflects where I'm stuck at.
 


Hint for elevator problem:

Write expressions for the velocity of man walking up steps to top and also for elevator taking him to top. What is velocity if he walks up moving steps?
 


iJamJL said:

Homework Statement



Assume all speeds are constant.

(a) A plane flies at speed vstill = 203 km/h in still air. Now, there is a wind blowing at speed vw = 77.6 km/h, with its direction at 30.4 degrees to the east of north. If the pilot wishes to fly due north with the wind blowing, find:
- θ, the angle between the direction the plane flies and due north.


- vp, the speed at which the plane will fly relative to the ground.
Draw a picture with a vertical line representing the desired northward flight. From the bottom of that line, draw line segment at 30.4 degrees to it, marking its length as 77.6. Finally, use compasses set to draw, from the tip of that segment, a circle with radius 203.
However, there is no "SSA" rule for congruent triangles. Unless that last segment, representing the flight of the airplane, is perpendicular to the first, there will be two points of intersection giving two solutions.



b) A man walks up a stalled escalator in time tw = 89.3 s. If he stands on the moving escalator, he reaches to top in time tm = 26.4 s. Find twm, the time it would take him to reach the top if he walked up the moving escalator?
Let the length of the escalator be L. Then his walking speed is L/89.3 and the speed of the escalator itself is L/26.4. Combining them will give him a speed of L/89.3+ L/26.4.

Homework Equations


The only one I think that is possible is the Law of Cosines.


The Attempt at a Solution


I have one vector going directly North because that is what we began with. Then there is a Northeast wind blowing, which is 30.4°. I put this vector's tail at the tail of the first vector going North. The resultant vector is then 141.8 if we use the Law of Cosines. As for the angle that the plane must fly, I'm at a loss, and have no idea. You don't necessarily have to tell me the answer, but where do I begin?

For the second question, I just have no idea at all.
 

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