Solve First Order ODE: x^2yy' = (y^2-1)^(3/2)

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The problem involves solving a first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by the equation x²yy' = (y² - 1)^(3/2). Participants are exploring methods to find all solutions to this equation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using separation of variables as a method to solve the ODE. There are attempts to integrate both sides after substitution, but confusion arises regarding the integration process and the handling of constants. Questions about the meaning of "equivalent" solutions and the implications of the equation's structure are also raised.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on checking the setup of the equation and the integration process. Some participants express confusion about the interpretation of solutions, particularly regarding the constant and the nature of equivalent solutions. There is no explicit consensus on the final interpretation of the solutions.

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Participants note that the problem asks for "all solutions," which introduces complexity in understanding the nature of the solutions, especially those where y' is identically zero. There is also mention of continuity conditions related to the function y.

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Homework Statement


Find all solutions

[tex]x^{2} y y\prime = (y^{2} - 1)^{\frac{3}{2}}[/tex]


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I know I have to use separation of variables because it isn't linear.

so I get

[tex]\frac{ydy}{(y^{2} - 1)^{\frac{3}{2}}} = \frac{1}{dxx^{2}}[/tex]

Now I'm kinda stuck at how to integrate this. I think I'm supposed to use partial fraction expansion, but since there's the 3/2 exponent, I'm confused as to how to go about doing that. Tips?
 
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Check the right hand side of your equation to make sure the dx is in the right spot. Try substitution on the left
 
Thanks, that helped. So now I substituted take the integral of both sides and I get

[tex]x = (y^{2}-1)^{\frac{1}{2}} + c[/tex]

This isn't matching up with the correct answer though. I took the integral and got -1/x on the left and 1 / - (y^2 - 1)^1/2 + c on the right. So I just took out the negative signs and changed to the reciprocal on the both sides, what are you think?
 
Well that would be correct if the constant wasn't there but because it is...you just can't simply invert both sides

if you brought [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{y^2-1}} +c[/tex] to the same base and then invert...that would be correct
 
ahh I see. I got the correct answer the only thing that confuses me is that in the book the answer says [tex]y \equiv \pm 1[/tex]... Actually I still don't really know what "equivalent" represents in this class.
 
well normally for the function to be continuous i thought it would be y not equal to +/- 1
 
robbondo said:
ahh I see. I got the correct answer the only thing that confuses me is that in the book the answer says [tex]y \equiv \pm 1[/tex]... Actually I still don't really know what "equivalent" represents in this class.

In addition to the solutions you get by integrating, the equation has solutions where y' is identically equal to zero. These are them.
 
So if if it didn't say " all solutions " I could just say that y=1, but what's the point of having the weird three line equal sign?
 
It just means y(x)=1 for all x. I.e. y is IDENTICALLY equal to one. Sure, if you don't need all solutions, then you could just pick an easy one.
 

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