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The discussion revolves around finding the amplitude and phase of a sinusoidal function expressed as a sum of two cosine terms. Participants are attempting to solve a homework problem using trigonometric identities and equations related to sinusoidal functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that the expected amplitude is 5 and phase is 36.9°, while their calculations yield different results of 4.11 and 5.7.
  • One participant calculates the amplitude as 4.11 and phase as 16.9° using the formula for the resultant amplitude and phase.
  • Another participant suggests that the two sinusoidal functions can be combined into a single sinusoidal function with a resultant amplitude and phase.
  • There is a mention of using phasor arithmetic, although some participants note that the problem is intended to be solved using given trigonometric identities.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to manipulate the functions to arrive at the expected amplitude of 5.
  • A later reply indicates that a participant has recalculated and arrived at an amplitude of 5.1, which they believe is correct.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct amplitude and phase values, as multiple calculations and approaches are presented, leading to different results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct method to combine the sinusoidal functions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correct format for the sinusoidal functions and the application of trigonometric identities. There is also a lack of clarity on how to effectively combine the two cosine functions to derive the expected results.

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Homework Statement


Find the amplitude and phase of the sinusoid (4√3-3)cos(2t + 30°) + (3√3 – 4)cos(2t + 60°)


Homework Equations


Acos wt + Bsin wt


The Attempt at a Solution


Answer should be amplitude 5 and phase 36.9° but I get 4.11 and 5.7
 
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ecas said:

Homework Statement


Find the amplitude and phase of the sinusoid (4√3-3)cos(2t + 30°) + (3√3 – 4)cos(2t + 60°)


Homework Equations


Acos wt + Bsin wt


The Attempt at a Solution


Answer should be amplitude 5 and phase 36.9° but I get 4.11 and 5.7

Welcome to the PF. Please show us your work, so that we can try to help you. That's how it works here on the PF.
 
The square root of (4√3-3)^2 + (3√3 – 4)^ 2 = 4.11 and θ = tan^-1 (4√3-3)/(3√3 – 4) = 16.9 degrees
 
ecas said:
The square root of (4√3-3)^2 + (3√3 – 4)^ 2 = 4.11 and θ = tan^-1 (4√3-3)/(3√3 – 4) = 16.9 degrees

Not sure what that's meant to represent. You have two sinusoidal functions of time, which can be added to make a new sinusiodal function, with a combined amplitude, and a combined resultant phase. It should look something like this:

f(t) = A cos(2t + phase)

What would be a way that you can add two cosine functions that have different phases?
 
Ah, I see the way that you are wanting to solve this:

http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~tamaras/sinusoids318/Adding_two_sinusoids.html

Are you sure you have the original equations in the right format to apply the equations?
 
I tried changing the second function from cos to sin to match the identity but this does not seem to affect the magnitude in any way. I still do not know how to arrive at A=5.
 
Does this have anything to do with the study of electronics? If so, have you studied phasor arithmetic yet?
 
Actually the problem comes before the section on phasors. Supposedly it is supposed to be solved with the trig identities we are given.
 
See the link berkeman gave in post #5. You eventually want to get things in the form

A cos(2t) + B sin(2t)​

To do that you'll need to use the addition identity for cosine,

cos(x+y) = ?​
 
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Ok I am getting 5.1 which sounds right. Thanks everyone.
 

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