Solve for y(x) using the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus

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The discussion revolves around solving an integral equation for y(x) involving the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus. The equation presented is y(x) = 1 + ∫ { [y(t)]^2 / (1 + t^2) } dt from 0 to x, with participants attempting to derive a solution and clarify their reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the integral equation and the resulting ordinary differential equation dy/dx = y(x)^2 / (1 + x^2). There are attempts to integrate and solve for y, with some questioning the placement of the constant C and its implications on the solution's form.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing clarification regarding the use of parentheses in the expressions, which has led to confusion about the correct form of the solution. Some participants express gratitude for the insights provided, indicating a productive exchange of ideas, though no consensus on the final solution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of maintaining the generality of the constant C in their equations, and there is acknowledgment of the potential for misunderstanding when manipulating terms without clear justification.

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Homework Statement


Solve the integral equation for y(x):
y(x) = 1 + ∫ { [y(t)]^2 / (1 + t^2) } dt
(integral from 0 to x)

See attached image for the equation in a nicer format.

Homework Equations


Fundamental Theorem of Calculus

The Attempt at a Solution


dy/dx = y(x)^2 / (1 + x^2)
∫ dy/y^2 = ∫ dx/(1 + x^2)
-1/y = arctan(x) + C
y = -1/arctan(x) + C

y(0) = 1 = -1/arctan(0) + C
C = 1 + 1/arctan(0)
Since arctan(0) = 0, the fraction is indeterminate.

In lectures we only did one practice example, so if anyone could give me a hand and point out where I am going wrong, it'll be greatly appreciated.
 

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Kaylee said:

Homework Statement


Solve the integral equation for y(x):
y(x) = 1 + ∫ { [y(t)]^2 / (1 + t^2) } dt
(integral from 0 to x)

See attached image for the equation in a nicer format.

Homework Equations


Fundamental Theorem of Calculus

The Attempt at a Solution


dy/dx = y(x)^2 / (1 + x^2)
∫ dy/y^2 = ∫ dx/(1 + x^2)
-1/y = arctan(x) + C
y = -1/arctan(x) + C

y(0) = 1 = -1/arctan(0) + C
C = 1 + 1/arctan(0)
Since arctan(0) = 0, the fraction is indeterminate.

In lectures we only did one practice example, so if anyone could give me a hand and point out where I am going wrong, it'll be greatly appreciated.

Use parentheses! -1/arctan(x)+C is not the same thing as -1/(arctan(x)+C)! One is indeterminant, one is -1/C. Which one do you want?
 
Kaylee said:

Homework Statement


Solve the integral equation for y(x):
y(x) = 1 + ∫ { [y(t)]^2 / (1 + t^2) } dt
(integral from 0 to x)

See attached image for the equation in a nicer format.

Homework Equations


Fundamental Theorem of Calculus

The Attempt at a Solution


dy/dx = y(x)^2 / (1 + x^2)
∫ dy/y^2 = ∫ dx/(1 + x^2)
-1/y = arctan(x) + C
y = -1/(arctan(x) + C)

y(0) = 1 = -1/arctan(0) + C
C = 1 + 1/arctan(0)
Since arctan(0) = 0, the fraction is indeterminate.
This is a good example of why you need to not be sloppy about using parentheses.

[Edit]: Dick wins again.
 
Dick said:
Use parentheses! -1/arctan(x)+C is not the same thing as -1/(arctan(x)+C)! One is indeterminant, one is -1/C. Which one do you want?
I definitely want -1/C. Thank you for helping me figure it out. I knew it was something small but I couldn't see it.
 
LCKurtz said:
This is a good example of why you need to not be sloppy about using parentheses.

[Edit]: Dick wins again.
It wasn't that I was sloppy. I commonly leave the C on the outer edge of my equations because C cannot loss its generality. But it definitely reminded me to use the generality to my advantage. Thank you to Dick and yourself for helping students with their problems.
 
Kaylee said:
It wasn't that I was sloppy. I commonly leave the C on the outer edge of my equations because C cannot loss its generality. But it definitely reminded me to use the generality to my advantage. Thank you to Dick and yourself for helping students with their problems.

Once you've put in the C after you integrate, you have to leave it where it is. You can't just move it someplace else later on without a good algebraic reason. It doesn't have that much 'generality'. -1/(arctan(x)+C) is a general solution to your ode. -1/arctan(x)+C is NOT.
 
Dick said:
Once you've put in the C after you integrate, you have to leave it where it is. You can't just move it someplace else later on without a good algebraic reason. It doesn't have that much 'generality'. -1/(arctan(x)+C) is a general solution to your ode. -1/arctan(x)+C is NOT.
Thanks. I didn't know that.
 

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