Solve Forces and Acceleration for Two Crates in Contact - Casey

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of two crates in contact, specifically focusing on forces, acceleration, and friction. The original poster presents a scenario involving two crates with given masses and a force applied to one of them, seeking to determine the acceleration and the forces exerted between the crates.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's second law to find the acceleration and the forces between the crates but expresses uncertainty about their calculations, particularly regarding the friction force and the normal force. Participants discuss the relationship between the forces exerted by the crates on each other and the calculations involved in determining these forces.

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Some participants provide guidance on the relationship between the forces exerted by the crates, while others point out potential errors in the original poster's calculations, specifically regarding the inclusion of gravitational acceleration in the friction force calculation. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and there is a collaborative effort to clarify the concepts involved.

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The original poster mentions confusion about the normal force calculation and the forces exerted between the crates, indicating a need for clarification on these concepts. There is also a reference to the coefficient of kinetic friction and its application in the problem.

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Two crates, of mass m1 = 40 kg and m2 = 125 kg, are in contact and at rest on a horizontal surface (Fig. 4-54). A 620 N force is exerted on the 40 kg crate. The coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.15.
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Find the acceleration:

Calculate the force that each crate exerts on the other:I am counting my forces incorrectly.

I had
\sum F_x=ma
\Rightarrow -F_k+F_a=ma
\Rightarrow-mg*\mu_k+F_a=ma
\Rightarrow\frac{ -(125+40)(.15)+620}{125+40}=a=3.61

I think block 2 exerts a Force on block 1...but I am not sure how to determine its magnitude...would someone be so kind as to remind me?

Also, for Normal Force, I used the COMBINED weight...is that correct?

Casey
 
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All fine so far. The force block 2 exerts on block 1 is equal and opposite to the force block 1 exerts on block 2. To find the force on block 2, you know the acceleration of block 2 and the mass of block 2. This should let you find force on block 2.
 
I think you just made a little mistake. When you're calculating the friction force, you have the formula correct, but I think you forgot the 'g' i.e. 9.8 in the calculation.
 
chocokat said:
I think you just made a little mistake. When you're calculating the friction force, you have the formula correct, but I think you forgot the 'g' i.e. 9.8 in the calculation.

Duh, right. I saw it in the formula. But I didn't notice it was absent in the numbers. Thanks.
 

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