Solve Fun Power Question: Frictional Force & Velocity

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to power, frictional force, and velocity. The original poster attempts to analyze the forces acting on a system using Newton's Second Law and is particularly focused on deriving an expression for the power required to drive the wheels of a vehicle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, including the use of a free body diagram and the relationship between driving force, frictional force, and acceleration. There is a focus on the challenge of finding velocity with multiple unknowns and the implications of changing velocity due to air resistance.

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Some participants have provided guidance on deriving expressions without numerical values, while others are exploring the implications of initial conditions and maximum velocity. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the problem without reaching a consensus.

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There is mention of specific values for acceleration and velocity, but the participants are encouraged to derive expressions rather than compute numerical answers. The original poster expresses a desire to solve the problem independently.

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Homework Statement


Found a pretty fun question on power from one of my friends old physics exams just wanted to see if I was doing it right so far.

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So the first thing I did was draw a free body diagram and used Newtons Second law so

ƩFx: F - (250 + 0.7v^2) - mgsin10 = ma

Says that the driving force F must overcome the frictional force, so then ma = 0 and F = 250 + 0.7v^2 + mgsin10. A little stumped here, I am trying to find out the velocity, but I have two unknowns and one equation (please don't give me the answer, I want to solve it myself)!
 
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Hi Panphobia! :smile:

(try using the X2 and X2 buttons just above the Reply box :wink:)
Panphobia said:
… ƩFx: F - (250 + 0.7v^2) - mgsin10 = ma

Says that the driving force F must overcome the frictional force, so then ma = 0 and F = 250 + 0.7v^2 + mgsin10. A little stumped here, I am trying to find out the velocity, but I have two unknowns and one equation …

I'm confused … the question says a = 1 and v = 27. :confused:
 
But that is initial, the v is always changing, and in my head I was thinking that there is a maximum velocity because of the air resistance. Oh my was I overthinking that? But anyway I was actually talking about deriving an expression for the power P that is required to drive the wheels. The other part is pretty easy.
 
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Then F = 1150 + 250 + 0.7(27)^2 + (1150)(9.8)sin10
P = Fv
P = 3867.3*27
= 104 kW or 140 hp

Deriving would just be without numbers right?
 
Panphobia said:
Then F = 1150 + 250 + 0.7(27)^2 + (1150)(9.8)sin10
P = Fv
P = 3867.3*27
= 104 kW or 140 hp

(i haven't checked your calculations, but …)

yes, those equations look correct :smile:
Panphobia said:
… I was actually talking about deriving an expression for the power P that is required to drive the wheels.
Deriving would just be without numbers right?

an expression would be without numbers, yes :wink:
 

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