Solve Limits of Sequence: Detailed Instructions

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The discussion revolves around solving limits of sequences, specifically focusing on three limit problems presented by a newcomer to the topic. Participants provide guidance and suggestions on how to approach these limits, including the application of various mathematical theorems and techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help with finding limits for three specific sequences.
  • Another participant suggests that no more than two questions should be asked per thread to maintain clarity.
  • Several participants discuss the application of limit theorems, including theorems related to sums and constants.
  • There is a suggestion to divide terms by the highest power of \( n \) in the second limit problem to simplify the expression.
  • One participant expresses confidence in their understanding of the exponent in the numerator of the second limit problem, while another questions the correctness of their factoring.
  • Participants debate the correct approach to factoring and simplifying the second limit problem, with one participant asserting their method aligns with a solution found on WolframAlpha.
  • There is a discussion about the third limit problem, with suggestions to rationalize the numerator and divide by \( n \) to find a determinate form.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the steps needed to solve the third limit problem, seeking clarification on the difference of squares formula.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to apply limit theorems and factor correctly, but there are disagreements regarding the appropriate methods for simplifying the second limit problem and the correct interpretation of the third limit problem. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to seek clarification and guidance.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the mathematical steps taken by participants, particularly in the second and third limit problems. Some assumptions about the forms of the limits and the methods of simplification are not fully articulated, leading to potential misunderstandings.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about limits in calculus, particularly those seeking assistance with homework problems related to sequences and their limits.

  • #31
wishmaster said:
[math] \left(\sqrt{n^2-4}\right)^2 - n^2[/math] ??

Very close again. It should be the $\sqrt{n^2+4}$ with a plus, not a minus. That gives us [math] \left(\sqrt{n^2+4}\right)^2 - n^2[/math]

Now, what happens when we square a square-root? For example, what is $$\left(\sqrt{9} \right)^2$$?
 
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  • #32
Jameson said:
Very close again. It should be the $\sqrt{n^2+4}$ with a plus, not a minus.

Now, what happens when we square a square-root? For example, what is $$\left(\sqrt{9} \right)^2$$?

we can remove square root,so 9 is left

$$n^2+4-n^2$$
 
  • #33
wishmaster said:
we can remove square root,so 9 is left

$$n^2+4-n^2$$

Exactly! That can be simplified even further too. :)

Once you have that you can now write the new fraction that is equivalent to #3. MarkFL showed this process in post #14.
 
  • #34
Jameson said:
Exactly! That can be simplified even further too. :)

Once you have that you can now write the new fraction that is equivalent to #3. MarkFL showed this process in post #14.

i still don't get it how did i come to here from my first limit [math]\lim _{n \to \infty} n\sqrt{n^2+4}-n^2[/math]
 
  • #35
MarkFL said:
When you factored, you put an $n^3$ in the denominator of every term that originally had a power on $n$ that was less than 3. You got the right result, but only because those terms go to zero anyway.

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For the third one, try factoring first and then rationalizing the numerator, as follows:

$$n\sqrt{n^2+4}-n^2=n\left(\sqrt{n^2+4}-n \right)\cdot\frac{\sqrt{n^2+4}+n}{\sqrt{n^2+4}+n}=?$$

Once you do this then divide each term by $n$.

The above is Mark's post as I mentioned. We take the original expression and multiply it by 1 (the top and bottom of the fraction are the same so it's the same as 1). Then we need to simplify a bunch of stuff. That's what we've been doing the last while.

$$n\left(\sqrt{n^2+4}-n \right)\cdot\frac{\sqrt{n^2+4}+n}{\sqrt{n^2+4}+n}=\frac{n\left(\sqrt{n^2+4}-n \right) \left(\sqrt{n^2+4}+n\right)}{\sqrt{n^2+4}+n}$$

The numerator, or top part, of this big fraction has the thing we just simplified so this fraction becomes less complicated now. What is the new fraction?
 
  • #36
(Ok, here is my last post on this for now. I think you need to see the next few steps written out so here they are plus some advice)

I think you might want to practice some easier problems first for using these methods. This one has a lot of parts to it if you're seeing it for the first time. Usually limits are given where you have rationalize a fraction somehow and then everything will cancel nicely and easily. After that the cancellation might be trickier. Finally limits like #3 are given and it can be messy.

Being able to quickly choose the proper fraction to multiply with the original limit is key. It is usually going to be the conjugate of the numerator or denominator. Here are some examples.

This is where we are at for #3 so far:

$$ \frac{n\left(\sqrt{n^2+4}-n \right) \left(\sqrt{n^2+4}+n\right)}{\sqrt{n^2+4}+n}=\frac{4n}{\sqrt{n^2+4}+n}$$

From here you need to divide all terms by $n$. That means evaluate
$$\frac{4n}{n}, \frac{\sqrt{n^2+4}}{n},\frac{n}{n}$$
For
$$\frac{\sqrt{n^2+4}}{n}$$ you can use this property: $$\frac{\sqrt{n^2+4}}{n}=\sqrt{\frac{n^2+4}{n^2}} =\sqrt{ \frac{n^2}{n^2}+\frac{4}{n^2}}$$

You hopefully see now why algebra is so important here. Review these concepts some and practice a few easier problems to get a feel for the process. Once you have that you can do this problem in 1-2 minutes probably by knowing the methods you'll probably use.
 

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