Solve math equation without assumptions

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the values of variables a and b given the equations a^2 + b^2 = 25 and a^3 + b^3 = 91. The original poster emphasizes the need to solve the problem without making assumptions about the values of a and b.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants discuss the possibility of reducing the equations to a polynomial form, while others question the set of numbers in which the solutions are sought. There are mentions of specific algebraic manipulations and the implications of complex solutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants provide algebraic insights, while others express frustration over the original poster's repeated inquiries. There is no clear consensus on the method to be used or the nature of the solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of not assuming specific values for a and b, as well as the potential complexity of the solutions involved. The original poster's urgency for a solution is also highlighted.

Milind_shyani
Messages
42
Reaction score
0
One mathematical sum is harassing me since a few days the problem is;:-
a^2+b^2=25 and a^3+b^3=91. find the value of a and b.
Now here we cannot take that into consoderation that as a^2+b^2=25 , a=3 and b=4. But we have to find the answer without any assumtions.May i please get the answer as soon as possible
 
Physics news on Phys.org
In which set of numbers do you search the solution to your system of equations...?

Daniel.

P.S. This is NOT "Advanced Physics".
 
Forget the location. Let me help you.
a^3 + b^3 = (a+b)(25-ab)
Put a + b = x.
Then ab = [(a+b)^2 - (a^2 + b^2)]/2 = (x^2 - 25)/2
 
It doesn't really help. A solution is to reduce everything to a 6-th order algebraic equation (either in "a" or in "b") to which you know that 3 and 4 are solutions. You can reduce the degree to 4 then and to a 4-th order algebraic equation, the exact solutions do exist. All 4 of them are complex (with nonzero imaginary part)...

That's why i asked about the set in which you want to determine the solutions...

Daniel.
 
Just guess! There are only a few numbers that a and b even have a chance of being. In fact, there is really only one pair of numbers that could work.
 
Milind_shyani said:
One mathematical sum is harassing me since a few days the problem is;:-
a^2+b^2=25 and a^3+b^3=91. find the value of a and b.
Now here we cannot take that into consoderation that as a^2+b^2=25 , a=3 and b=4. But we have to find the answer without any assumtions.May i please get the answer as soon as possible
Why do I hate people who double post so much!
Why must you post one problem in two different threads in only one board? Why?
Maths factorization problem!
dextercioby said:
It doesn't really help. A solution is to reduce everything to a 6-th order algebraic equation (either in "a" or in "b") to which you know that 3 and 4 are solutions. You can reduce the degree to 4 then and to a 4-th order algebraic equation, the exact solutions do exist. All 4 of them are complex (with nonzero imaginary part)...

That's why i asked about the set in which you want to determine the solutions...

Daniel.
In fact, it can be reduced to a cubic equation. :)
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

Replies
18
Views
4K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K