Solve Quadric Equation: 4x^2+y^2+4z^2-4y-24z+36=0

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The discussion revolves around identifying and manipulating a quadric equation represented by the expression 4x^2+y^2+4z^2-4y-24z+36=0. Participants are exploring the process of completing the square and factoring within the context of this equation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to complete the square for the variables involved and are questioning the correctness of their algebraic manipulations, particularly regarding the terms associated with z. There are discussions on whether to factor before or after completing the square.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on algebraic steps and expressing uncertainty about specific calculations. There is no explicit consensus yet, as different interpretations of the steps are being explored.

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Some participants express confusion about the correct order of operations in completing the square and factoring, indicating a need for clarity on these algebraic techniques. There is also a light-hearted acknowledgment of mistakes made during the process.

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Homework Statement


Identify the quadric:


Homework Equations


[tex]4x^2+y^2+4z^2-4y-24z+36=0[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]4x^2+(y-2)^2+4(z-3)^2=-36+9+4[/tex]
Right?
Then
[tex]4x^2+(y-2)^2+4(z-3)^2=-23[/tex]
But this is wrong. How?
 
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Check your algebra in step 3.

More specifically, check the terms associated with Z.
 
CaptainZappo said:
Check your algebra in step 3.

More specifically, check the terms associated with Z.

Mmm. I am not quite sure what you mean. If your talking about the 4 I just factored that out.
 
Winzer said:
Mmm. I am not quite sure what you mean. If your talking about the 4 I just factored that out.

Yes, that's what he means. Since you factor the 4 out, and you complete the square, like this:
[tex]4z ^ 2 - 24z = 4 (z ^ 2 - 6z) = 4 (z ^ 2 - 6z) + 36 - 36 = 4 (z ^ 2 - 6z + 9) - 36 = 4 (z - 3) ^ 2 \textcolor{red}{- 36}[/tex]

In fact, you should add and subtract 36, instead of 4, as you did. :)
 
Shouldn't it be:

[tex]4x^2+y^2+4z^2-4y-24z+36=0[/tex]
[tex]4x^2+(y^2-4y+4)+(4z^2-24z+144)=-36+144+4[/tex]?
 
Winzer said:
Shouldn't it be:

[tex]4x^2+y^2+4z^2-4y-24z+36=0[/tex]
[tex]4x^2+(y^2-4y+4)+(4z^2-24z+144)=-36+144+4[/tex]?

Actually I think I see it:
I have to complete the square first, then I can factor, then subtract.
 
Winzer said:
Shouldn't it be:

[tex]4x^2+y^2+4z^2-4y-24z+36=0[/tex]
[tex]4x^2+(y^2-4y+4)+(4z^2-24z+144)=-36+144+4[/tex]?

Nope, note that 4z2 = (2z)2

So, it should be:

[tex]4x^2+(y^2-4y+4)+((2z)^2- 2 \times (2z) \times 6 + 6 ^ 2)=-36 \textcolor{red}{+ 36} + 4 \Rightarrow ...[/tex]

Can you take it from here? :)-----------------

Edit:
Actually I think I see it:
I have to complete the square first, then I can factor, then subtract.

No, you can factor first, like what I've done in the previous post. That's okay, but you should be extremely careful when doing this.
 
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lol. I feel like a moron.
 

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