Solve Simple Force Problem: Find the Ratio F/F(a)

  • Thread starter Thread starter ian_durrant
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Force
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the ratio of forces in a scenario where a baby elephant is stuck in a mud hole. The forces applied include a primary force F(a) and two additional forces F(b) and F(c), each with the same magnitude F. The context suggests a relationship between the resultant forces in two different configurations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to use vector diagrams and trigonometry to analyze the forces. There is uncertainty about the correct ratio and whether the presence of two additional forces affects the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants are attempting to derive the ratio F/F(a) through trigonometric relationships, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the forces and their angles. There is a recognition that the initial attempts may not fully account for the contributions of all forces involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the forces are applied at specific angles, which may complicate the calculations. There is also mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the effect of having two additional forces on the resultant force.

ian_durrant
Messages
20
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



A baby elephant is stuck in a mud hole. To help pull it out, game keepers use a rope to apply force F(a). By itself,however, force F(a) is insufficient. Therefore, two additional forces F(b) and F(c) are applied. Each of these additional forces has the same magnitude F. The magnitude of the resultant force acting on the elephant in part b of the drawing is twice that in part a. Find the ratio F/F(a)

Homework Equations


It should be noted that the two end ropes are 40 degrees apart, and F(a) bisects them, creating 20 between each rope.


The Attempt at a Solution



I really don't know, i tried 2:1, but that answer didn't work, any thoughts?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You need to draw a vector diagram, and break the forces down into components using right triangle trigonometry. Do you know what I mean by that?
 
ok, i drew the right trangles and got an equation like this:

cos20 = (F(a)/F) which led me to -

F(a)- .94F

and i got a ratio from F/F(a)= 1.06 (i took the inverse)

when i entered this into the computer, it said it was wrong. Did I miss something that I was supposed to do, am I supposed to multiple that by two because there are two additional ropes ?

thanks for the help
 
You're on the right track, but you're forgetting that there are 2 of these forces acting on the elephant at 20 degrees (along with Fa).
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 42 ·
2
Replies
42
Views
4K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
Replies
8
Views
7K
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K