Solve sine^x Variation of Parameters: y"+3y'+2y

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation y" + 3y' + 2y = sin(ex) using the method of variation of parameters. Participants are exploring the integration of sine functions involving exponential terms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting up Wronskians and integrating terms involving sin(ex). There are attempts to use substitution and integration by parts, with some expressing frustration over the complexity of the integrals. Questions arise about the correctness of the Wronskian and the implications of errors in setup.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress by correcting their approach to the Wronskian, while others continue to struggle with the integration of sin(ex). There is a mix of successful attempts and ongoing challenges, with no clear consensus on a solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints such as the upcoming mid-term exam and the fact that certain topics, like series expansion, are not covered. There is also mention of non-elementary functions and their implications for the problem at hand.

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Homework Statement


Solve by variation of parameters:
y" + 3y' + 2y = sinex

Homework Equations


Finding the complimentary yields:
yc = c1e-x + c2e-2x

The Attempt at a Solution


I set up the Wronskians and got:
μ1 = ∫e-2xsin(ex)dx
μ2 = -∫e-xsin(ex)dx

The problem is that I have no idea how to integrate sin(ex).

I tried subbing u = e-x du = -e-x for μ1
=> ∫-u du sin(u-1)
Integration by parts either attempts to integrate sin(u-1) or endlessly integrates u without repeat.

That failed, so I tried just integrating by parts of μ1; it took 2 repetitions to get:
μ1 = -½e-2xsin(ex) - ½e-xcos(ex) + ∫½sin(ex)dx
I thought it might work if I get -ex∫½sin(ex)] in μ2
μ2 = e-xsin(ex) - ∫cos(ex)dx

Going further into the integration by parts just adds more complications, such as adding "x" as a term as well as going into higher powers of ex.

I can't express the integral as a series; that's next chapter and not covered on the mid-term in a few days (I'm currently hoping the mid-term doesn't have this problem).
 
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Did you try substitution: ##u=e^x##.
 
I did initially, but found it problematic since it ends up becoming ½∫sinu/u. If you keep on doing it it winds up being a giant beast of an equation which doesn't appear to match μ2 at all.

I thought part of it might equal μ2, but that didn't happen either. The two just keep mismatching cosine and sine functions endlessly.

I just realized I did the Wronskians wrong; the bottom isn't 1... And it ends up a LOT easier, but I still can't quite seem to get it right.
With the correct Wronskian I instead got ∫sin(u)/u for μ1 and a nice and short -½cos(ex) for μ2. This does cause an elimination between the two equations, but I'm still getting a vast number of functions for μ1 that doesn't seem to have an end.

I'm going to check back on this in the morning.
 
Timberhead said:

Homework Statement


Solve by variation of parameters:
y" + 3y' + 2y = sinex

Homework Equations


Finding the complimentary yields:
yc = c1e-x + c2e-2x

The Attempt at a Solution


I set up the Wronskians and got:
μ1 = ∫e-2xsin(ex)dx
μ2 = -∫e-xsin(ex)dx

The problem is that I have no idea how to integrate sin(ex).

I tried subbing u = e-x du = -e-x for μ1
=> ∫-u du sin(u-1)
Integration by parts either attempts to integrate sin(u-1) or endlessly integrates u without repeat.

That failed, so I tried just integrating by parts of μ1; it took 2 repetitions to get:
μ1 = -½e-2xsin(ex) - ½e-xcos(ex) + ∫½sin(ex)dx
I thought it might work if I get -ex∫½sin(ex)] in μ2
μ2 = e-xsin(ex) - ∫cos(ex)dx

Going further into the integration by parts just adds more complications, such as adding "x" as a term as well as going into higher powers of ex.

I can't express the integral as a series; that's next chapter and not covered on the mid-term in a few days (I'm currently hoping the mid-term doesn't have this problem).

The integral ##\int \sin(e^x) \, dx = \text{Si}(e^x) + C##, where ##\text{Si}## is a "non-elementary" function.
 
Resolved: I kept working with substituting ex = u on both μ's and it actually works insanely well.
 
Well done - getting the correct Wronskian is helpful too of course ;)
(If the Wronskian was incorrect, does that make it a Wrightskian?)

Aside:
The "non-elementary function" Si(x) in post #4 is called the Sine Integral and you can look it up.
For that matter, sin(x)/x is called "sinc(x)" ... and you can look that up too.
 

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