Solve Slope Line to y=e^bx: Find b Value

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The discussion revolves around determining the values of ##b## for which the line ##y=10x## is tangent to the curve ##C(x)=e^{bx}##. Participants explore the necessary conditions for tangency, including matching slopes and y-values, and consider various methods for solving the resulting equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that for tangency, the derivative ##C'(x)=be^{bx}## must equal 10 for some pair ##(b,x)##.
  • Another participant emphasizes that both the y-values and slopes must match at the point of tangency, leading to the equation ##10x = e^{bx}##.
  • There is a suggestion to use numerical methods to approximate solutions, with a later inquiry about the Lambert W function as a potential tool.
  • One participant introduces a general form ##ax = e^{bx}## to explore tangential relationships, deriving conditions under which such tangency may occur.
  • Another participant notes that if ##\frac{a}{b} = e##, then it follows that ##a = e b##, indicating a relationship between the parameters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches to the problem, with no consensus on a definitive method or solution. Multiple competing views on how to tackle the equations and the use of numerical methods remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the mathematical steps necessary to isolate ##b## or ##10##, and there are dependencies on the definitions of the variables involved.

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A friend asked me to help him with this; probably simple, but I seem to be missing
something obvious:

For what values of ##b## is the line ##y=10x## tangent to the curve ##C(x)=e^{bx}##?

Seems we need ##C'(x)=be^{bx} =10 ## for some pair ##(b,x)##. But this is where it

seems hairy: how do we isolate either ## b ## or ##10## ? we can apply ##ln## on both

sides of ## C'(x)## , to get ## bx =ln(10/b)=ln10-lnb ## . Then what?
 
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WWGD said:
A friend asked me to help him with this; probably simple, but I seem to be missing
something obvious:

For what values of ##b## is the line ##y=10x## tangent to the curve ##C(x)=e^{bx}##?

Seems we need ##C'(x)=be^{bx} =10 ## for some pair ##(b,x)##.
For the line to be tangent to the exponential curve, both have to have the same y-value for a given x, and the slope of the tangent to the exponential has to be 10 at that point.

To find the point of tangency, you need to solve 10x = ebx, which can't be solved by ordinary means, although you can use numerical methods to get a close approximation.
WWGD said:
But this is where it

seems hairy: how do we isolate either ## b ## or ##10## ? we can apply ##ln## on both

sides of ## C'(x)## , to get ## bx =ln(10/b)=ln10-lnb ## . The what?
 
Thanks. What kind of numerical methods though? Maybe using the Lambert W function or
something?
 
Lets look at ##ax = e^{bx}##. Is ##ax## tangential to ##e^{bx}##?

##\frac{a}{b} = e^{bx}\Rightarrow x=\frac{\ln(\frac{a}{b})}{b}##. Such an x exists as long as ##\frac{a}{b}>0##. However, we also need ##{a}\cdot x = e^{bx}\Rightarrow {a}\cdot \frac{\ln(\frac{a}{b})}{b}=\frac{a}{b}## or ##\ln(\frac{a}{b}) = 1##.
 
DarthMatter said:
Lets look at ##ax = e^{bx}##. Is ##ax## tangential to ##e^{bx}##?

##\frac{a}{b} = e^{bx}\Rightarrow x=\frac{\ln(\frac{a}{b})}{b}##. Such an x exists as long as ##\frac{a}{b}>0##. However, we also need ##{a}\cdot x = e^{bx}\Rightarrow {a}\cdot \frac{\ln(\frac{a}{b})}{b}=\frac{a}{b}## or ##\ln(\frac{a}{b}) = 1##.

Ah, nice, so ## \frac {a}{b}=\mathbb e \implies a= \mathbb e b ## .
 

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