Solve Spring Mass Change Problem: Find Distance for 4kg Mass

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a mass-spring system where a 3.0 kg mass causes a spring to stretch, and then a 4.0 kg mass is introduced. The task is to determine how far the 4.0 kg mass will fall before its direction is reversed after being released from the unstretched position.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the spring constant and the forces involved. There is an exploration of energy conservation principles, particularly how gravitational potential energy converts to spring potential energy and kinetic energy.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on applying conservation of energy to find the maximum distance the mass falls. There is recognition of a misunderstanding regarding the nature of the problem, particularly the difference between equilibrium position and the dynamics of the mass being dropped.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem requires consideration of energy transformations rather than just static equilibrium. There is an acknowledgment of potential oversight due to fatigue, which may have affected the original poster's approach.

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I feel like I must be missing something here. I think I'm following the right steps, yet my answer doesn't match one of the choices.

Homework Statement



A Mass of 3.0kg is hung from a spring, causing it to stretch 12 cm at equilibrium. The 3.0kg mass is then replaced by a 4.0kg mass and the new block is released from the unstretched position. How far will the 4.0kg mass block fall before its direction is reversed?

a) 9 cm
b) 18 cm
c) 24 cm
d) 32 cm
e) 48 cm

Homework Equations


Spring Constant-
k= F/x

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I found the force of the 3kg block.
F= 3 * 9.8 = 29.4N
Next, I found the spring constant K
K= F/x[distance] = 29.4/.12m= 245

I Worked backwards to find the distance traveled by the 4kg block, like this.
K=F/x
245= (4*9.8)/x
x=.16m = 16 cm
Which is not one of the options. Where have I gone wrong?

Thanks for any help, it is much appreciated.
 
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When you replace the weight and release it, the potential energy of the weight, will become kinetic energy and will also start adding potential energy into the spring. The maximum distance it falls will be when all the gravitational energy becomes potential energy in the spring and kinetic energy becomes momentarily 0.

m*g*h = 1/2*k*h2
 
Jamboree said:
I feel like I must be missing something here. I think I'm following the right steps, yet my answer doesn't match one of the choices.

Homework Statement



A Mass of 3.0kg is hung from a spring, causing it to stretch 12 cm at equilibrium. The 3.0kg mass is then replaced by a 4.0kg mass and the new block is released from the unstretched position. How far will the 4.0kg mass block fall before its direction is reversed?

a) 9 cm
b) 18 cm
c) 24 cm
d) 32 cm
e) 48 cm

Homework Equations


Spring Constant-
k= F/x

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I found the force of the 3kg block.
F= 3 * 9.8 = 29.4N
Next, I found the spring constant K
K= F/x[distance] = 29.4/.12m= 245

I Worked backwards to find the distance traveled by the 4kg block, like this.
K=F/x
245= (4*9.8)/x
x=.16m = 16 cm
Which is not one of the options. Where have I gone wrong?

Thanks for any help, it is much appreciated.


You are finding the new equilibrium position when the 4 kg is attached.
But they ask what happens when the 4kg is dropped. Then the srping will stretch way beyond the new equilibrium position. What you must use is conservation of energy in the form mgh = 1/2kx^2
 
Wow, I'm amazed I managed to completely ignore that. It always seems so obvious in retrospect...I'm going to go ahead and blame the late hour and lack of sleep.

Thank you both for the help, I've got it now.
 

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