Solve the given problem that involves a space curve

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The discussion focuses on solving a problem involving a space curve, specifically calculating the unit tangent, curvature, principal normal, binormal, and torsion. The calculations provided include detailed derivations for each component, emphasizing the relationships between distance, velocity, and acceleration. There is interest in visualizing the space curve in 3D, with a mention of using Mathematica for plotting. Participants express varying levels of engagement, with one noting the clarity of the derivations while another questions the necessity of the thread. The conversation concludes with a request for guidance on 3D plotting techniques.
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Homework Statement
For the space curve; ##\left[x=t-\dfrac{t^3}{3}, y=t^2,
z=t+\dfrac{t^3}{3} \right]##

Find;

1. Unit tangent
2. Curvature
3. Principal Normal
4. Binormal
5. Torsion
Relevant Equations
vector differentiation
Relatively new area to me; will solve one -at- time as i enjoy the weekend with coffee.

1. Unit tangent

##r=xi+yj+zk##

##r=(t-\dfrac{t^3}{3})i+t^2j+(t+\dfrac{t^3}{3})k##
##T=\dfrac{dr}{dt} ⋅\dfrac{dt}{ds}##
##\dfrac{dr}{dt}=(1-t^2)i+2tj+(1+t^2)k##
##\dfrac{ds}{dt}=\sqrt{(1-t^2)^2+4t^2+(1+t^2)^2}##

##=\sqrt{1-2t^2+t^4+4t^2+1+2t^2+t^4}##

##=\sqrt{2t^4+4t^2+2}##

## =\sqrt{2}(1+t^2)##

##T=\dfrac{(1-t^2)i+2tj+(1+t^2)k}{\sqrt{2} (1+t^2)}##

of course you may chip in with your insight/cheers. ..will look at rest later...
 
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A greater way to think of this, is the relationship between distance, velocity, and acceleration.
Have you seen the derivation?
 
2. Curvature;

##κ=|\dfrac{dT}{ds}|##

##\dfrac{dT}{ds}=\dfrac{dT}{dt} ⋅\dfrac{dt}{ds}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2}(-2ti+(1-t^2)j)}{(1+t^2)^2}⋅\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}(1+t^2)} ##

##\dfrac{dT}{ds}=\dfrac{-2ti+(1-t^2)j}{(1+t^2)^3}##=##\dfrac{-2t}{(1+t^2)^3} i +\dfrac{1-t^2}{(1+t^2)^3}j##

##|\dfrac{dT}{ds}|=\sqrt{\dfrac {4t^2}{(1+t^2)^6}+\dfrac {(1-t^2)^2}{(1+t^2)^6}}=\sqrt{\dfrac{t^4+2t^2+1}{(1+t^2)^6}}=\sqrt{\dfrac{(t^2+1)^2}{(1+t^2)^6}}=\dfrac{1+t^2}{(1+t^2)^3}=\dfrac{1}{(1+t^2)^2}##
 
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As i attempt this i would be interested in how the given space curve looks like on 3D graph... I will also be looking at that...i need Mathematica to do this?
 
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3. Principal Normal;

##N=\dfrac{1}{κ} ⋅\dfrac{dT}{ds}=(1+t^2)^2⋅\dfrac{-2ti+(1-t^2)j}{(1+t^2)^3}=\dfrac{-2ti+(1-t^2)j}{1+t^2}##
 
4. Binormal

##B= T ×N##

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##\dfrac{1-t^2}{\sqrt{2} (1+t^2)}##​
##\dfrac{2t}{\sqrt{2} (1+t^2)}##
##\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}##
##\dfrac{-2t}{ 1+t^2}##
##\dfrac{1-t^2}{ 1+t^2}##
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##=\dfrac{t^2-1}{\sqrt{2} (1+t^2)}i -\dfrac{2t}{\sqrt{2} (1+t^2)}j+\dfrac{t^2+1}{\sqrt{2} (t^2+1)}=\dfrac{(t^2-1)i-2tj+(t^2+1)k}{\sqrt{2} (t^2+1)}##
 
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5. Torsion ##τ##

##\dfrac{dB}{dt}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2} (t^2+1)[2ti-2j+2tk]-2t\sqrt{2}[(t^2-1)i-2tj+(t^2+1)k]}{2(1+t^2)^2}##

##\dfrac{dB}{ds}=\dfrac{dB}{dt}⋅\dfrac{dt}{ds}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2} (t^2+1)[2ti-2j+2tk]-2t\sqrt{2}[(t^2-1)i-2tj+(t^2+1)k]}{2(1+t^2)^2} ⋅\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}(1+t^2)}##

##\dfrac{dB}{ds}=\dfrac{dB}{dt}⋅\dfrac{dt}{ds}=\left[\dfrac{4t} {\sqrt{2}(t^2+1)^2}i+\dfrac{2t^2-2} {\sqrt{2}(t^2+1)^2}j\right]⋅\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}(1+t^2)}##

##=\left[\dfrac{2t} {(t^2+1)^3}i+\dfrac{t^2-1} {(t^2+1)^3}j\right]=-τN##

##=\left[\dfrac{2t} {(t^2+1)^3}i+\dfrac{t^3-1} {(t^2+1)^3}j\right]=-τ \left[\dfrac{-2ti+(1-t^2)j}{1+t^2}\right]##

##=\left[\dfrac{2t} {(t^2+1)^3}i+\dfrac{t^2-1} {(t^2+1)^3}j\right]=τ \left[\dfrac{2ti+(t^2-1)j}{1+t^2}\right]##

##\dfrac{τ}{1+t^2}=\dfrac{1}{(1+t^2)^3}##

##τ =\dfrac{1+t^2}{(1+t^2)^3}=\dfrac{1}{(1+t^2)^2}##

Bingo! :cool:
 
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in general, these problems become trivial when one knows the definition. Ie., the derivation of acceleration, starting with distance.

I do not see the point of this thread, since it is apparent you do not need any help.
 
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Noted...I agree...i will move to other problems...meanwhile let me know how I can go about plotting the space curve in 3d.
 
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chwala said:
Noted...I agree...i will move to other problems...meanwhile let me know how I can go about plotting the space curve in 3d.
ummm you cannot demand anything from me...