Solve the given problem that involves a space curve

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The discussion focuses on solving problems related to space curves, specifically using the parameterization of a curve defined by the vector function r(t) = (t - t^3/3)i + t^2j + (t + t^3/3)k. Key calculations include the unit tangent vector T, curvature κ, principal normal vector N, binormal vector B, and torsion τ. The participants express interest in visualizing the space curve in 3D, suggesting the use of Mathematica for plotting.

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Homework Statement
For the space curve; ##\left[x=t-\dfrac{t^3}{3}, y=t^2,
z=t+\dfrac{t^3}{3} \right]##

Find;

1. Unit tangent
2. Curvature
3. Principal Normal
4. Binormal
5. Torsion
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vector differentiation
Relatively new area to me; will solve one -at- time as i enjoy the weekend with coffee.

1. Unit tangent

##r=xi+yj+zk##

##r=(t-\dfrac{t^3}{3})i+t^2j+(t+\dfrac{t^3}{3})k##
##T=\dfrac{dr}{dt} ⋅\dfrac{dt}{ds}##
##\dfrac{dr}{dt}=(1-t^2)i+2tj+(1+t^2)k##
##\dfrac{ds}{dt}=\sqrt{(1-t^2)^2+4t^2+(1+t^2)^2}##

##=\sqrt{1-2t^2+t^4+4t^2+1+2t^2+t^4}##

##=\sqrt{2t^4+4t^2+2}##

## =\sqrt{2}(1+t^2)##

##T=\dfrac{(1-t^2)i+2tj+(1+t^2)k}{\sqrt{2} (1+t^2)}##

of course you may chip in with your insight/cheers. ..will look at rest later...
 
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Looks fine to me...
 
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A greater way to think of this, is the relationship between distance, velocity, and acceleration.
Have you seen the derivation?
 
2. Curvature;

##κ=|\dfrac{dT}{ds}|##

##\dfrac{dT}{ds}=\dfrac{dT}{dt} ⋅\dfrac{dt}{ds}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2}(-2ti+(1-t^2)j)}{(1+t^2)^2}⋅\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}(1+t^2)} ##

##\dfrac{dT}{ds}=\dfrac{-2ti+(1-t^2)j}{(1+t^2)^3}##=##\dfrac{-2t}{(1+t^2)^3} i +\dfrac{1-t^2}{(1+t^2)^3}j##

##|\dfrac{dT}{ds}|=\sqrt{\dfrac {4t^2}{(1+t^2)^6}+\dfrac {(1-t^2)^2}{(1+t^2)^6}}=\sqrt{\dfrac{t^4+2t^2+1}{(1+t^2)^6}}=\sqrt{\dfrac{(t^2+1)^2}{(1+t^2)^6}}=\dfrac{1+t^2}{(1+t^2)^3}=\dfrac{1}{(1+t^2)^2}##
 
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As i attempt this i would be interested in how the given space curve looks like on 3D graph... I will also be looking at that...i need Mathematica to do this?
 
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3. Principal Normal;

##N=\dfrac{1}{κ} ⋅\dfrac{dT}{ds}=(1+t^2)^2⋅\dfrac{-2ti+(1-t^2)j}{(1+t^2)^3}=\dfrac{-2ti+(1-t^2)j}{1+t^2}##
 
4. Binormal

##B= T ×N##

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j​
k​
##\dfrac{1-t^2}{\sqrt{2} (1+t^2)}##​
##\dfrac{2t}{\sqrt{2} (1+t^2)}##
##\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}##
##\dfrac{-2t}{ 1+t^2}##
##\dfrac{1-t^2}{ 1+t^2}##
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##=\dfrac{t^2-1}{\sqrt{2} (1+t^2)}i -\dfrac{2t}{\sqrt{2} (1+t^2)}j+\dfrac{t^2+1}{\sqrt{2} (t^2+1)}=\dfrac{(t^2-1)i-2tj+(t^2+1)k}{\sqrt{2} (t^2+1)}##
 
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5. Torsion ##τ##

##\dfrac{dB}{dt}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2} (t^2+1)[2ti-2j+2tk]-2t\sqrt{2}[(t^2-1)i-2tj+(t^2+1)k]}{2(1+t^2)^2}##

##\dfrac{dB}{ds}=\dfrac{dB}{dt}⋅\dfrac{dt}{ds}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2} (t^2+1)[2ti-2j+2tk]-2t\sqrt{2}[(t^2-1)i-2tj+(t^2+1)k]}{2(1+t^2)^2} ⋅\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}(1+t^2)}##

##\dfrac{dB}{ds}=\dfrac{dB}{dt}⋅\dfrac{dt}{ds}=\left[\dfrac{4t} {\sqrt{2}(t^2+1)^2}i+\dfrac{2t^2-2} {\sqrt{2}(t^2+1)^2}j\right]⋅\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}(1+t^2)}##

##=\left[\dfrac{2t} {(t^2+1)^3}i+\dfrac{t^2-1} {(t^2+1)^3}j\right]=-τN##

##=\left[\dfrac{2t} {(t^2+1)^3}i+\dfrac{t^3-1} {(t^2+1)^3}j\right]=-τ \left[\dfrac{-2ti+(1-t^2)j}{1+t^2}\right]##

##=\left[\dfrac{2t} {(t^2+1)^3}i+\dfrac{t^2-1} {(t^2+1)^3}j\right]=τ \left[\dfrac{2ti+(t^2-1)j}{1+t^2}\right]##

##\dfrac{τ}{1+t^2}=\dfrac{1}{(1+t^2)^3}##

##τ =\dfrac{1+t^2}{(1+t^2)^3}=\dfrac{1}{(1+t^2)^2}##

Bingo! :cool:
 
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in general, these problems become trivial when one knows the definition. Ie., the derivation of acceleration, starting with distance.

I do not see the point of this thread, since it is apparent you do not need any help.
 
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Noted...I agree...i will move to other problems...meanwhile let me know how I can go about plotting the space curve in 3d.
 
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chwala said:
Noted...I agree...i will move to other problems...meanwhile let me know how I can go about plotting the space curve in 3d.
ummm you cannot demand anything from me...
 

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