Solve the problem involving differential equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to population dynamics, specifically a first-order linear ordinary differential equation. Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem and are sharing their reasoning and attempts.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants describe their attempts to solve the equation using integrating factors and separation of variables. Others raise questions about the conditions under which the solution remains valid, particularly regarding the assumption that the population P(t) remains above a certain threshold.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into their methods and questioning the assumptions made in the problem. There is a focus on the continuity of the function P(t) and its implications for the solution's behavior over time. Some participants are seeking further clarification on specific points, indicating a collaborative exploration of the topic.

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Participants note the relevance of initial conditions and the continuity of the function P(t) in their discussions. There is an acknowledgment of the need to test solutions against the original differential equation, and some participants express uncertainty about the implications of certain assumptions.

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Homework Statement
See attached problem and ms guide
Relevant Equations
linear first order ode
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My approach for part (a),

##\dfrac{dp}{dt}+P(t)=100##

I.f=## e^{\int 1 dt} = e^t##

Therefore,

##(e^t p)^{'}=100e^t##

##e^tp=\int 100e^t dt##

##e^tp=100e^t+k## Applying initial condition, ##p(0)=2000##

##2000=100+k##

##k=1900##

Therefore,

##e^tp=100e^t+1900##

##p=100+1900e^{-t}##

More insight is welcome guys...
 
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I would just separate it: <br /> \begin{split}<br /> t &amp;= \int_{2000}^{P(t)} \frac{1}{100 - p}\,dp \\<br /> &amp;= \left[ - \log|100 - p|\right]_{2000}^{P(t)} \\<br /> &amp;= -\log \frac{P(t) - 100}{1900}.<br /> \end{split}<br /> (We expect P(t) &gt; 100 because P(0) &gt; 100.)
 
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pasmith said:
I would just separate it: <br /> \begin{split}<br /> t &amp;= \int_{2000}^{P(t)} \frac{1}{100 - p}\,dp \\<br /> &amp;= \left[ - \log|100 - p|\right]_{2000}^{P(t)} \\<br /> &amp;= -\log \frac{P(t) - 100}{1900}.<br /> \end{split}<br /> (We expect P(t) &gt; 100 because P(0) &gt; 100.)
Can you give me a more detailed proof of why ##P(t)>100##? @chwala solution solves it without the need to prove this...
 
chwala said:
Homework Statement:: See attached problem and ms guide
Relevant Equations:: linear first order ode

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My approach for part (a),

##\dfrac{dp}{dt}+P(t)=100##

I.f=## e^{\int 1 dt} = e^t##

Therefore,

##(e^t p)^{'}=100e^t##

##e^tp=\int 100e^t dt##

##e^tp=100e^t+k## Applying initial condition, ##p(0)=2000##

##2000=100+k##

##k=1900##

Therefore,

##e^tp=100e^t+1900##

##p=100+1900e^{-t}##

More insight is welcome guys...
Do you know how to test your solution?
See if it satisfies the original equation.
 
Delta2 said:
Can you give me a more detailed proof of why ##P(t)>100##? @chwala solution solves it without the need to prove this...

P(t) - 100 is continuous; if it's strictly positive when t &gt; 0, then there exists T &gt; 0 such that P(t) &gt; 0 for 0 \leq t &lt; T. It turns out that in this case there is no upper bound for T.
 
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Another way to solve this is to use change of variables, ##Q(t)=P(t)-100##, hence the ODE becomes $$\frac{dQ}{dt}=-Q$$ which has the general solution ##Q(t)=ce^{-t}## e.t.c
 
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pasmith said:
P(t) - 100 is continuous; if it's strictly positive when t &gt; 0, then there exists T &gt; 0 such that P(t) &gt; 0 for 0 \leq t &lt; T. It turns out that in this case there is no upper bound for T.
You are not arguing accurately here, let me rephrase your argument a bit to what I believe is more accurate reasoning:
##P(t)-100## is continuous (because its derivative exist) and because ##P(0)-100=1900>0## therefore it exists an interval ##[0,T]## such that ##P(t)-100>0## for ##t\in [0,T]##. But it is not clear to me why there is no upper bound for T.

EDIT:OK I guess I get it now, let's hear what the OP has to say about this..
 
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WWGD said:
Do you know how to test your solution?
See if it satisfies the original equation.
Yes,
##⇒e^tp=100e^t+1900##

##e^tp-100e^t-1900=0.## Using implicit differentiation,

##e^tp+e^t\dfrac{dp}{dt}-100 e^t=0##

##e^t\dfrac{dp}{dt}=100e^t-e^tp##

##e^t\dfrac{dp}{dt}=e^t(100-p)##

##\dfrac{dp}{dt}=(100-p)##
 
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