Laplace's Equation: Steady-State Temperature in a Rectangular Plate

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The problem involves finding the steady-state temperature distribution in a long rectangular metal plate with specified boundary conditions. The governing equation is Laplace's equation, ∇²T = 0, and the boundary conditions include the temperature at the edges of the plate. The original poster attempts to solve the problem using separation of variables, leading to expressions for the functions X(x) and Y(y) based on the boundary conditions.

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  • Participants discuss the separation of variables method and the derivation of eigenfunctions for X(x) and Y(y). Questions arise regarding the transition from exponential forms to hyperbolic functions and the implications of boundary conditions on the solution. Some participants suggest alternative forms for Y(y) that may simplify the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the mathematical techniques involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of hyperbolic functions and the structure of the solution. Multiple interpretations of the boundary conditions and their application to the problem are being explored, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for confusion regarding the application of boundary conditions. There is an acknowledgment of the need for familiarity with hyperbolic functions and their properties in solving such problems.

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Homework Statement



A long rectangular metal plate has its two long sides and top at 0°. The base is at 100°. The plate's width is 10cm and its height is 30cm. Find the stead-state temperature distribution inside the plate.

Homework Equations



2T = 0

T(x,y) = X(x)Y(y)

X(x) = Acos(kx) + Bsin(kx)
Y(y) = Ceky+De-ky

The Attempt at a Solution



Using boundary conditions to obtain X(x): T(0,y) = T(10,y) = 0

X(x) = Bsin(\dfrac{n\pi x}{10})
Using boundary conditions to obtain Y(y): T(x, 0) = 100; T(x, 30) = 0

Y(0) = C + D = 100

D = 100 - C

Y(30) = Ce^{3n\pi} + De^{-3n\pi} = 0

Ce^{3n\pi} = -De^{-3n\pi}

C = -De^{-6n\pi}

C = -(100 - C)e^{-6n\pi}

C = (C - 100)e^{-6n\pi}

C = Ce^{-6n\pi} - 100e^{-6n\pi}

C - Ce^{-6n\pi} = -100e^{-6n\pi}

C(1 - e^{-6n\pi}) = -100e^{-6n\pi}

C = \dfrac{-100e^{-6n\pi}}{1-e^{-6n\pi}}

C = \dfrac{100e^{-6n\pi}}{e^{-6n\pi} - 1}
Then by D = 100 - C

D = 100 - \dfrac{100e^{-6n\pi}}{e^{-6n\pi} - 1}

D = \dfrac{-100e^{-6n\pi}}{e^{-6n\pi} - 1}
So
Y(y) = \dfrac{100e^{-6n\pi}}{e^{-6n\pi} - 1} (e^{\dfrac{n\pi y}{10}} - e^{\dfrac{-n\pi y}{10}})

Y(y) = \dfrac{200e^{-6n\pi}}{e^{-6n\pi} - 1} sinh(\dfrac{n \pi y}{10})

So by T(x,y) = X(x)Y(y)T(x,y) = B \dfrac{200e^{-6n\pi}}{e^{-6n\pi} - 1} sinh(\dfrac{n \pi y}{10}) sin(\dfrac{n \pi y}{10})

but then...

T(x,y) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} B \dfrac{200e^{-6n\pi}}{e^{-6n\pi} - 1} sinh(\dfrac{n \pi y}{10}) sin(\dfrac{n \pi y}{10})

Up until here, aside from the nastiness of the problem, I decided to read the book and see if I was on track, but they went a completely different way and ended up with something else.

They didn't solve it analytically at all, and just said that we can notice a solution, namely when C = -\dfrac{1}{2}e^{-30k} and when D = \dfrac{1}{2}e^{30k}.

This makes sense to me, and when we analyze the summation and check the condition when T(x,0) = 100, my solution shows that T --> 0 rather than 100.

What did I do wrong, and how do I analytically acquire the solution they achieved? I'm not well versed enough to just pick a solution out of a hat like that, so how could I achieve it along the methods I was using by applying boundary conditions to the Y(y) ODEs?
 
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After you have solved the ##X## equation you have eigenfunctions ##X_n(x)=\sin(\frac {n\pi x}{10}x)## and your next step is to solve ##Y''-\frac{n^2\pi^2}{10^2}Y=0## with ##Y(0)=100,\, Y(30)=0##. Frequently in this type of problem it is better to use the {sinh,cosh} family than the exponentials. In particular, I would suggest writing the solution as$$
Y(y) = C\sinh(\frac {n\pi}{10}y)+ D\sinh(\frac {n\pi}{10}(30-y))$$Then using ##Y(30)= 0## immediately tells you ##C=0## so you have ##Y## eigenfunctions$$
Y_n(y) = \sinh(\frac {n\pi}{10}(30-y))$$Now you have the solution$$
T(x,y) = \sum_{n=1}^\infty X_n(x)Y_n(y)=
\sum_{n=1}^\infty c_n \sinh(\frac {n\pi}{10}(30-y))\sin(\frac {n\pi x}{10})$$Now apply your last boundary condition ##T(x,0)=100##:$$
100 = \sum_{n=1}^\infty c_n \sinh(\frac {n\pi}{10}(30))\sin(\frac {n\pi }{10}x)$$Now set ##c_n \sinh(\frac {n\pi}{10}(30))##equal to the Fourier coefficient and it should all work to give you an analytical solution.
 
Thanks for the response!

I understand where the following comes from:
Y'' - \dfrac{n^2 k^2}{10^2}Y = 0

Then we find from it:

Y = Ce^{\dfrac{n \pi y}{10}} + De^{-\dfrac{n \pi y}{10}}

I understand that sinh(x) = \dfrac{1}{2}(e^x - e^{-x}).

However, I don't understand how we can arrives at

Y(y) = C sinh (\dfrac{ n \pi}{10}y) + D sinh ( \dfrac{n \pi}{10} (30 - y))

I think this it the step that I'm completely lost on.
 
sinh(a-y) has an addition formula similar to the trig formula, so it is a linear combination of sinh(y) and cosh(y), which in turn are linear combinations of ##e^y## and ##e^{-y}##. As long as the pair is linearly independent you can use them for the general solution. The pair I have chosen just makes the arithmetic a bit easier.
 
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LCKurtz said:
sinh(a-y) has an addition formula similar to the trig formula, so it is a linear combination if sinh(y) and cosh(y), which in turn are linear combinations of ##e^y## and ##e^{-y}##. As long as the pair is linearly independent you can use them for the general solution. The pair I have chosen just makes the arithmetic a bit easier.

I apparently need to familiarize myself more with hyperbolic functions! I should have assumed there was some trick like this. Thanks a lot for your help! It all makes sense now. :)
 
mliuzzolino said:
I apparently need to familiarize myself more with hyperbolic functions! I should have assumed there was some trick like this. Thanks a lot for your help! It all makes sense now. :)

You're welcome. There is one little thing I mis-wrote. I said your ##Y## boundary value problem had ##Y(30)=0## and ##Y(0)= 100##. I shouldn't have included ##Y(0)= 100## at that point because ##100=T(x,0)=X(x)Y(0)## does not imply ##Y(0)= 100##. The nonhomogeneous condition ##100=T(x,0)## was used after the series for ##T(x,y)## was developed.
 
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