Solve Tricky Integration: ##\frac{20\ln{(t)}}{t}##

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral of the function ##\frac{20\ln{(t)}}{t}##, focusing on integration techniques and approaches.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss whether integration by parts is the best method or if a simple u-substitution might be more effective. There are varying opinions on the simplicity of different approaches, and some participants express uncertainty about the setup and assumptions involved.

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Multiple methods are being explored, including integration by parts and u-substitution. Some participants have offered guidance on the approaches, while others have raised questions about clarity and assumptions in the original problem statement.

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There are mentions of potential ambiguities in the expression and the need for a constant of integration, as well as concerns about missing details in the original problem setup.

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Homework Statement


How do I solve ##\frac{20\ln{(t)}}{t}##?

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Is it easier to calculate this without integrating by parts?
I'm not sure where to start.
 
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squenshl said:
Is it easier to calculate this without integrating by parts?
Solving by integration by parts is easy - very few lines. I can't think of an easier way.
 
There is an easier way. Try a simple "u-substitution".
 
You have ##f\cdot f'## which is half of ##(f^2)'##. Done.
 
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fresh_42 said:
You have ##f\cdot f'## which is half of ##(f^2)'##. Done.

I like the simplicity, but shouldn't it be just half of ##(f^2)## ?

edited: forgot the "half of"
 
Tallus Bryne said:
I like the simplicity, but shouldn't it be just half of ##(f^2)## ?

edited: forgot the "half of"
##f^2## is the solution after integration, but I said ##f \cdot f' = \frac{1}{2} \cdot (f^2)'## for the integrand. Of course this all is a bit sloppy: no integration boundaries or the constant, no mentioning of ##\ln |x|## in the OP and no ##dt 's##.
 
fresh_42 said:
##f^2## is the solution after integration, but I said ##f \cdot f' = \frac{1}{2} \cdot (f^2)'## for the integrand. Of course this all is a bit sloppy: no integration boundaries or the constant, no mentioning of ##\ln |x|## in the OP and no ##dt 's##.
Agreed. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
Substitute ##u = \ln t, du = \frac {1}{t}dt##
 
Math_QED said:
Substitute ##u = \ln t, du = \frac {1}{t}dt##
Thanks everyone. The solution is ##10\ln{(t)}^2##.
 
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squenshl said:
Thanks everyone. The solution is ##10\ln{(t)}^2##.
You might like to remove an ambiguity.

Is that the natural log of the square of t, or is it the square of the natural log of t ?

Also, I suspect that you need to include a constant of integration .
 
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Typically for integrals involving ln in a typical calculus course...

Always try u sub. If that does not work, then integration by parts. Keep this in mind.
 

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