Solve Work Rate Problem: 6 Men Colouring 36m Cloth in x Days

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The discussion revolves around a work rate problem involving men coloring cloth, specifically how many days it takes for 6 men to color 36 meters of cloth based on given data about 4 men coloring 48 meters in 2 days. Participants explore various methods to solve the problem, including general formulas and proportional reasoning.

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  • One participant suggests calculating how many meters of cloth one man can color in one day as a starting point.
  • Another participant calculates that one man can color 6 meters of cloth a day, leading to the conclusion that 6 men can color 36 meters in one day, but seeks a general formula for the process.
  • A participant introduces a formula relating men, days, hours, efficiency, and work done, and attempts to apply it to the problem, asking for clarification on the terms used in the formula.
  • Some participants present a proportional relationship between work done, number of men, and time, leading to a derived formula for calculating the time required for the second group of workers.
  • One participant questions the meaning of efficiency in the context of the formula and suggests incorporating it into the equation, leading to a revised understanding of the variables involved.
  • Another participant proposes using a triple ratio approach to solve the problem, suggesting a potential method for arriving at the answer.

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Participants express various methods and approaches to solve the problem, with no consensus on a single method or formula. Multiple competing views on the best approach remain present throughout the discussion.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of terms such as efficiency and the units involved in the formulas. The discussion includes various assumptions and interpretations that have not been resolved.

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if 4 men can colour 48 m of cloth in 2 days, in how many days can 6 men colour a 36 m cloth?

Can you give me a general method on solving this problem? Thanks!
 
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I would solve this by computing how many m. of cloth 1 man colors in 1 day...
 
MarkFL said:
I would solve this by computing how many m. of cloth 1 man colors in 1 day...

I found that one man can do 6m of cloth a day. By 48/(8) =6

If one man can do 6m a day then 6 men can do 36m in one day.

But I want some formula or something that would generalize the process. I having difficulty doing that.
 
Hello guys!

As I was searching on the net for a general formula to solve this problem I stubled upon this

M1*H1*D1*E1*W2=M2*H2*D2*E2*W1

Where M = # of men; D = # of days; H = # of hours ;W = # something done; E = efficiency.

Now if I will relate it to the problem above

M1 = 4 men, W1 = 48 m, D1 = 2 days.
M2 = 6, W2 = 36m, D2 = ? days.

From here it is only a matter plugging in the given to get 1 day as an answer.

Now my questions are

1. What do we call the value when we multiply out both sides of M1*H1*D1*E1*W2=M2*H2*D2*E2*W1(what is the unit or name associated to it?)

2. Why the W2 is on the left hand side? Same with W1 that is on right hand side of the eqn.

3. Why do we equate M1*H1*D1*E1*W2=M2*H2*D2*E2*W1?

Please I need to learn this. Kindly explain. Thanks!
 
The amount of work that gets done can be assumed to be proportional to the number of men working and the length of time they work:

$$W_n=kM_nt_n$$

Thus, given two groups of men working (presumably all at the same rate), we may state:

$$k=\frac{W_1}{M_1t_1}=\frac{W_2}{M_2t_2}\implies W_1M_2t_2=W_2M_1t_1$$

Both sides would have units of "man-days of work."

From this, we may write:

$$t_2=\frac{W_2M_1t_1}{W_1M_2}$$

Plugging in the values from the original problem, we find:

$$t_2=\frac{36\cdot4\cdot2}{48\cdot6}=1$$
 
MarkFL said:
The amount of work that gets done can be assumed to be proportional to the number of men working and the length of time they work:

$$W_n=kM_nt_n$$

Thus, given two groups of men working (presumably all at the same rate), we may state:

$$k=\frac{W_1}{M_1t_1}=\frac{W_2}{M_2t_2}\implies W_1M_2t_2=W_2M_1t_1$$

Both sides would have units of "man-days of work."

From this, we may write:

$$t_2=\frac{W_2M_1t_1}{W_1M_2}$$

Plugging in the values from the original problem, we find:

$$t_2=\frac{36\cdot4\cdot2}{48\cdot6}=1$$

Hello!

What does the efficiency mean in the formula?
 
NotaMathPerson said:
Hello!

What does the efficiency mean in the formula?

I would say efficiency is related to the amount of work done per man-time...so let's put efficiency $E$ into the equation:

$$W_n=kE_nM_nt_n$$

Dimensional analysis shows that $k$ is now dimensionless (before, $k$ included efficiency)...and so we can now state:

$$k=\frac{W_1}{E_1M_1t_1}=\frac{W_2}{E_2M_2t_2}\implies W_1E_2M_2t_2=W_2E_1M_1t_1$$
 
Can it be tripple ratio?

4:48:2 = 6:36:x
men to meter ratio defined;
12:2 = 6:x
mean & extreme
x = 12/12 = 1
1 day is the answer

is it possible??
 

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