Solve x3-6x2+1=0: Find Real Numbers & Reasons

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of real solutions to the cubic equation x³ - 6x² + 1 = 0. Participants are exploring the behavior of the function f(x) = x³ - 6x² + 1 and applying calculus concepts to analyze its critical points and intervals.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the derivative f'(x) to find stationary points and analyze intervals where the function is increasing or decreasing. There are questions about the implications of these intervals for the number of roots.

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Some participants have provided insights into the behavior of the function at critical points and suggested using the Intermediate Value Theorem (IVT) to justify the existence of roots in specific intervals. There is a recognition of the continuity of the function, which supports the application of IVT.

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Participants express uncertainty about how to present their findings clearly in an exam setting and consider whether additional justification is necessary for their answers.

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Homework Statement



Determine how many real numbers satisfy the equation x3-6x2+1=0. Give reasons for your answer naming any theorems you use.

2. The attempt at a solution

let:f(x)=x3-6x2+1

→f'(x)=3x2-12x

for stationary points:f'(x)=0

→3x(x-4)=0

∴x=0 or x=4

to determine if minimum or maximum points:

f''(x)=6x-12

→f''(0)=-12<0

→f''(4)=12>0

∴(0,1) is a maximum point.

∴(4,-31) is a minimum point.

Not sure how to finish. I know it has 3 solutions, but I'm not sure as how to express my answer in the correct format. Help?
 
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Shadowless said:

Homework Statement



Determine how many real numbers satisfy the equation x3-6x2+1=0. Give reasons for your answer naming any theorems you use.

2. The attempt at a solution

let:f(x)=x3-6x2+1

→f'(x)=3x2-12x

for stationary points:f'(x)=0

→3x(x-4)=0

∴x=0 or x=4

to determine if minimum or maximum points:

f''(x)=6x-12

→f''(0)=-12<0

→f''(4)=12>0

∴(0,1) is a maximum point.

∴(4,-31) is a minimum point.

Not sure how to finish. I know it has 3 solutions, but I'm not sure as how to express my answer in the correct format. Help?
Note: The above quote has been edited to reflect changes made by Shadowless after I initially posted the following. The following comments stand as originally submitted by me.

Hello Shadowless. Welcome to PF !


On what interval(s) is f'(x) positive?

On what interval(s) is f'(x) negative?
 
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Glad to be here.

Hmm..

f'(x) is positive for x<0 or x>4
f'(x) is negative for 0<x<4

Yes?
 
Shadowless said:
Glad to be here.

Hmm..

f'(x) is positive for x<0 or x>4
f'(x) is negative for 0<x<4

Yes?
That should tell you something about the maximum number of roots that can exist in each interval: (-∞, 0), (0, 4), and (4, +∞) .

In addition to that, knowing f(0) and f(4) tells you something very definite about the number of roots between x=0 and x=4 .

Knowing the behavior of f as x → ±∞ will insure that you can find other places to evaluate f to definitely determine the number of roots.



Of course, we know that f(x) is continuous for x being any real number, right?
 
Can I just answer this question like this...

Limiting x to -∞, f(x) will approach -∞.

And as f(0)=1 and f'(x)>0 for (-∞,0) there exists only one root in the interval (-∞,0). [IVT]

As f(0)=1, f(4)=-31 and f'(x)<0 for (0,4) there exists only one root in the interval (0,4). [IVT]

Limiting x to ∞, f(x) will approach ∞.

And as f(4)=-31 and f'(x)>0 for (4,∞) there exists only one root in the interval (4,∞). [IVT]

∴ there exists three real numbers that will satisfy the equation.
 
Shadowless said:
Can I just answer this question like this...

Limiting x to -∞, f(x) will approach -∞.

And as f(0)=1 and f'(x)>0 for (-∞,0) there exists only one root in the interval (-∞,0). [IVT]

As f(0)=1, f(4)=-31 and f'(x)<0 for (0,4) there exists only one root in the interval (0,4). [IVT]

Limiting x to ∞, f(x) will approach ∞.

And as f(4)=-31 and f'(x)>0 for (4,∞) there exists only one root in the interval (4,∞). [IVT]

∴ there exists three real numbers that will satisfy the equation.

Yes, exactly. There will be one root in each of those intervals.
 
But would my answer be acceptable in the exam? Or would I need something further? I think I understand the question, it's just I sometimes fail to get my ideas across on paper and that is what worries me more.
 
Shadowless said:
But would my answer be acceptable in the exam? Or would I need something further? I think I understand the question, it's just I sometimes fail to get my ideas across on paper and that is what worries me more.

I wouldn't worry about it. Your answer is as complete and clear as anyone could wish for. You might want to mention that f(x) is continuous so you can apply the IVT, but that's all I can think of. If you want to go nuts then you could also say that the MVT proves there is only one root in each interval, but I think what you have is fine.
 
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