Solving (1+x^2)y''-2y'+2y=0: y=x & Beyond

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The discussion revolves around the differential equation (1+x²)y'' - 2xy' + 2y = 0, specifically focusing on verifying that y = x is a solution and finding a second solution. Participants are exploring methods related to differential equations and integrating factors.

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  • Participants are attempting to verify the solution y = x and are discussing the use of integrating factors, although some question the appropriateness of this method for a second-order equation. There is also exploration of the form of the second solution, with suggestions to express it as y = xu(x).

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Some participants have provided guidance on the verification of y = x as a solution, while others are exploring the derivation of a second solution. There is a mix of confusion regarding the steps involved, particularly in relation to logarithmic transformations and the use of integrating factors.

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There is a noted confusion about the original problem statement and the correctness of the solution verification. Participants are also discussing the implications of the equation's structure on the methods used for finding solutions.

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show that y=x is one solution of the equation (1+x2)y''-2y'+2y=0 and determine a second solution

im up to the IF which i get as eintegral((2/x0-(2x/1+x2) as does my answer sheet but this when comes out as =(x2)/(1+X2) i am getting confused with how to get here as i would of thought i would i end up with logs but how do i get logs from this with a 2 and a 2x in front? step by step please someone
 
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franky2727 said:
eintegral((2/x0-(2x/1+x2) as does my answer sheet but this when comes out as =(x2)/(1+X2) i am getting confused with how to get here as i would of thought i would i end up with logs but how do i get logs from this with a 2 and a 2x in front?

eintegral((2/x-(2x/1+x2)

= e2logx - log(1+x2) + c

Then use elogy = y. :smile:
 
Have you copied the problem correctly? You say that you are to show that y= x is a solution of (1+ x2)y"- 2y'+ 2y= 0 and that is not true: if y= x, then y'= 1 and y"= 0 so the equation becomes (1+ x2)(0)- 2(1)+ 2x which is NOT 0.
 
sorry its -2xy' not -2y'
 
does e2lnx - ln(1+x2) + c go to 2ln|x/1+x|
 
franky2727 said:
does e2lnx - ln(1+x2) + c go to 2ln|x/1+x|

Nooo …

that's e2lnx e- ln(1+x2) ec,

= (elnx)2 e- ln(1+x2) ec :smile:
 
Okay, you are given (1+ x2)y"- 2xy'+ 2y= 0 and asked first to show that y= x is a solution and then find another (independent) solution.

I see no reason to find an integrating factor (which apply to first order equations, not second order, anyway) here- you are not asked to solve the equation "from scratch". If y= x, then y'= 1 and y"= 0 so your equation becomes (1+x2)(0)- 2x(1)+ 2x= 0 which is true. Yes, y= x is a solution.

Now look for another solution of the form y= xu(x). Then y'= xu'+ u and y"= xu"+ 2u'. Putting that into the equation, (1+ x2)(xu"+ 2u')- 2x(xu'+ u)+ 2xu= (x+ x3)u"+ (2+ 2x2)u'- 2x2u'- 2xu+ 2xu= x(1+x2u"+ 2u'= 0.

Let v= u' so the equation becomes x(1+x2)v'+ 2v= 0. Then v'= 2v/(x(1+x2)) and that is a separable differential equation.
 

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