Solving 2.43: Drawing Diagrams & Vector Lengths

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving problem 2.43, which involves vector addition and the calculation of vector components. Participants explore whether it is necessary to redraw diagrams and how to approach the problem using component-wise vector addition.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires if the problem can be solved without redrawing the diagram and expresses concern about guessing vector lengths.
  • Several participants suggest that vector addition can be performed component-wise without needing to redraw the diagram.
  • There is a discussion about expressing the components of vector $\mathbf{T}_1$ in terms of its magnitude $T$ and angle $\theta_1=9^{\circ}$.
  • One participant proposes the expression for $\mathbf{T}_1$ as $\langle T \cos(9^{\circ}), T \sin(9^{\circ}) \rangle$ to emphasize its vector nature.
  • Another participant calculates a relationship involving $T$ and expresses it as $12500= T(3.27 + 2.05)$, but later questions the correctness of their result.
  • There is a correction regarding the need to find the magnitude of the vector part in the equation involving $T$ and the sum of the components of the vectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of component-wise vector addition, but there is uncertainty regarding the correctness of specific calculations and expressions for $T$.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the calculations and the need to find the magnitude of the vector part, indicating that there may be unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning.

Adhil
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I need help with 2.43
Is there any way to solve 2.43 without drawing the diagram again? And if I must draw another diagram, will I have to guess and check the length of the vectors since all the vectors are equal?
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You don't need to re-draw the diagram, but you do need to do vector addition: component-wise. Take $\mathbf{T}_1$, for example. You're told it has a magnitude of $T$. Can you write down the components of $\mathbf{T}_1?$
 
Ackbach said:
You don't need to re-draw the diagram, but you do need to do vector addition: component-wise. Take $\mathbf{T}_1$, for example. You're told it has a magnitude of $T$. Can you write down the components of $\mathbf{T}_1?$
The components of T1 will be T1x+T1y
 
Adhil said:
The components of T1 will be T1x+T1y

Sorry, I meant can you write down the components of $\mathbf{T}_1$ in terms of its magnitude $T$ and its angle, call it $\theta_1=9^{\circ}$?
 
Ackbach said:
Sorry, I meant can you write down the components of $\mathbf{T}_1$ in terms of its magnitude $T$ and its angle, call it $\theta_1=9^{\circ}$?
That would be T1=Tsin(9°)+Tcos(9°)
 
I would write it more like this (to emphasize its vector nature): $\mathbf{T}_1=\langle T \cos(9^{\circ}), T \sin(9^{\circ}) \rangle$, or $\mathbf{T}_1=T\cos(9^{\circ}) \,\hat{\mathbf{i}}+T\sin(9^{\circ}) \,\hat{\mathbf{j}}$.

Right, so then, you'd need to do this for the remaining three vectors. Once you've got all this written down, you can add the vectors together. What do you get?
 
After removing T as a common factor I got 12500= T(3.27 + 2.05)
 
Adhil said:
After removing T as a common factor I got 12500= T(3.27 + 2.05)
Which means T=2349.6-lb...is this correct?
... Nvm, it's wrong
 
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Adhil said:
Which means T=2349.6-lb...is this correct?
... Nvm, it's wrong

Right. You need to set $T[\langle \cos(9^{\circ}), \sin(9^{\circ})\rangle + \dots + \langle \cos(51^{\circ}), \sin(51^{\circ})\rangle ] = 12500$. You have to find the magnitude of the vector part.
 
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Ackbach said:
Right. You need to set $T[\langle \cos(9^{\circ}), \sin(9^{\circ})\rangle + \dots + \langle \cos(51^{\circ}), \sin(51^{\circ})\rangle ] = 12500$. You have to find the magnitude of the vector part.
Okay thanks[emoji106]I get it now
 

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