Solving a P.D.E in Normal Form: Tips and Tricks

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The discussion revolves around transforming a partial differential equation (PDE) into normal form, specifically focusing on the equation u[SIZE="1"]xx -4u[SIZE="1"]xy+3u[SIZE="1"]yy=0. Participants are exploring methods to eliminate the mixed derivative term and relate this to conic sections.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss methods for eliminating the "xy" term in a quadratic expression and relate this to the transformation of a PDE. There are inquiries about the rationale behind using matrix representations and the implications of characteristic directions.

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The conversation is active with various methods being proposed, including the use of matrix formulas and coordinate transformations. Some participants are questioning the clarity of certain terms and methods, while others are seeking to clarify their understanding of the concepts involved.

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There is an indication that participants may have varying levels of familiarity with the material, as one participant references previous discussions about solving PDEs and another expresses uncertainty about specific terminology.

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how do you change the following p.d.e to normal form and solve it?
uxx -4uxy+3uyy=0?
 
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How would you eliminate the "xy" term in x2- 4xy+ 3y2= 0 in order to determine what type of conic it was?

One method would be to write it as a matrix formula:
[tex]\left( \begin{array} {cc} x & y \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array} {cc} 1 & -2 \\-2 & 3 \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array} {c} x \\ y \end{array}\right)= 0[/tex]
and find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors. The eigenvector point in the "characteristic directions" and taking your axes in those directions reduces to "normal form".

With a PDE, the same thing happens: using the characteristic directions as the new variables reduces the equation to normal form.

This is the second problem in a row in which you have essentially said "how do I solve partial differential equations". What have you learned in class so far?
 
why would you think of writing it as a matrix formula?
 
I said that was one method.

I'll ask again: "How would you eliminate the "xy" term in [itex]x^2- 4xy+ 3y^2= 0[/itex] in order to determine what type of conic it was?"
 
shift the x and y values?
 
I have no idea what you mean by "shift the x and y values". My point was that eliminating the uxy in a pde is essentially the same as eliminating the xy term in a conic (by rotating the coordinate system) and wanted to know if you knew how to do that.
 
i've looked that part up~ thank you very much!
 

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