Solving a Physics Problem with Friction: Directions of Forces and Torques

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The discussion focuses on the analysis of forces and torques in a physics problem involving a ball in a bowl. The user questions the sign convention in the torque equation, specifically whether it should be I*w_dot=F*r or I*w_dot=-F*r. The correct interpretation is crucial, as it affects the calculations of angular acceleration and the dynamics of the system. The user also highlights the need for clarity regarding the relationship between the angles involved in the motion of the ball.

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Hi

Im trying to solve this question, and I have the solution of it in front of me, but I really can't understand why its true.

The question is this: A bowl with radius R is given, it can't move. In it there's a ball with radius r << R, and a mass m.
Find... (lots of subclauses for the question)
A picture is attached.

My question is this:
Am I mixing the directions of the forces/torques?

F is the friction force. I think the torque equation should be I*w_dot=F*r.
and the equation for the tangential direction should be ma=F-mgs*sin(theta).

However, in the solution I see here the torque equation appears with a minus sign: I*w_dot=-F*r, which obviously changes the answers of the things I need to find.

Should it be with a minus? Or without? Thank you.

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sapz said:
F is the friction force. I think the torque equation should be I*w_dot=F*r.
This doesn't look right to me at all. If we take moments about the centre of the ball, there is indeed a torque Fr anticlockwise, and it does tend to reduce theta. But ##\ddot{\theta}## is not the angular acceleration of the ball.
There should be another angle in the picture - the angle through which the ball has rotated. It is related to theta by a simple formula.
 

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