Solving a System of Differential Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of differential equations represented by a matrix equation, with initial conditions provided for three functions, y_1(t), y_2(t), and y_3(t). Participants are exploring the relationships between the components of the solution vector and the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the associated matrix.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors, with some verifying their calculations using online tools. There is a focus on how to express the solution in terms of the individual functions y_1, y_2, and y_3, as well as the relationship between these functions and the vector Y.

Discussion Status

Several participants are actively questioning the correctness of the eigenvalues and the format of the solution. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the functions and the matrix representation, with some suggesting methods to convert the system into a more manageable form. No consensus has been reached regarding the final solution format or the correctness of the initial calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the initial conditions and the representation of the solution, including the need to specify the functions separately rather than as a vector. There is also mention of a possible oversight in the matrix entries affecting the eigenvalue calculations.

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Homework Statement


Y' =
[ -14 0 12
24 -2 24
16 0 14 ] Y
Subject to the condition y_1 (0) = -6, y_2 (0) = 11, y_3 (0) = 8, find: y_1(t), y_2(t), y_3(t)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


This is more just to see if my answers are correct than anything, so I begin by finding the eigenvalues of the matrix (checked with an internet calculator so I know this is correct).
Eigenvalues end up being: -2, -2, and 2.
I solve for the eigenvectors, which end up being :
v_1 = [-1, 0 ,1], v_2 = [0, 1, 0], v_3 = [-3, 6, 4]
Therefore I have the general solution: Y = C_1 v_1 e^{-2t} + C_2 v_2 t e^{-2t} + C_3 v_3 e^{2t}

Using the initial values given, putting it into the matrix and solving it, I end up with:
C_1 = -3,<br /> C_2 = 13/2, C_3 = 4<br />

However, the question wants me to find y_1 (t), y_2 (t), and y_3 (t)
It also does not allow me to enter a vector as an answer, so does anyone know how my answer is supposed to be formatted? Or am I going about it wrong? Thank you for any assistance you may provide.
 
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KevinD6 said:

Homework Statement


Y' =
[ -14 0 12
24 -2 24
16 0 14 ] Y
Subject to the condition y_1 (0) = -6, y_2 (0) = 11, y_3 (0) = 8, find: y_1(t), y_2(t), y_3(t)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


This is more just to see if my answers are correct than anything, so I begin by finding the eigenvalues of the matrix (checked with an internet calculator so I know this is correct).
Eigenvalues end up being: -2, -2, and 2.
I solve for the eigenvectors, which end up being :
v_1 = [-1, 0 ,1], v_2 = [0, 1, 0], v_3 = [-3, 6, 4]
Therefore I have the general solution: Y = C_1 v_1 e^{-2t} + C_2 v_2 t e^{-2t} + C_3 v_3 e^{2t}

Using the initial values given, putting it into the matrix and solving it, I end up with:
C_1 = -3,<br /> C_2 = 13/2, C_3 = 4<br />

However, the question wants me to find y_1 (t), y_2 (t), and y_3 (t)
It also does not allow me to enter a vector as an answer, so does anyone know how my answer is supposed to be formatted? Or am I going about it wrong? Thank you for any assistance you may provide.
You have this:
##Y = C_1 v_1 e^{-2t} + C_2 v_2 t e^{-2t} + C_3 v_3 e^{2t} ##
With the three vectors and the constants now included, it looks like this:
$$Y = -3 \begin{bmatrix} -1 \\ 0 \\ 1 \end{bmatrix} e^{-2t} + 13/2 \begin{bmatrix} 0 \\ 1 \\ 0\end{bmatrix} e^{-2t} + 4 \begin{bmatrix} -3 \\ 6 \\ 4\end{bmatrix} e^{2t} $$

You can get your three solutions out of the above.

Edit: I assumed without checking that the work shown was correct.
 
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How are y1, y2 and y3 related to Y? (Mark beat me to it!)
 
KevinD6 said:

Homework Statement


Y' =
[ -14 0 12
24 -2 24
16 0 14 ] Y
Subject to the condition y_1 (0) = -6, y_2 (0) = 11, y_3 (0) = 8, find: y_1(t), y_2(t), y_3(t)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


This is more just to see if my answers are correct than anything, so I begin by finding the eigenvalues of the matrix (checked with an internet calculator so I know this is correct).
Eigenvalues end up being: -2, -2, and 2.

Are you sure that those are the eigenvalues?
 
Hmm, I don't know, I've been reading the internet and the textbook but I can't find any clues on what it means.

Also - I'm sure those are the eigenvalues, pretty sure at least, I did them by hand and then checked with wolfram.
 
What is your characteristic equation?
It is also possible that you did not copy the matrix correctly. Check, please.
 
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Oh yes, I'm sorry, for some reason I missed a negative sign on the 12 in the first row.

I kind of get the relationship too, Y = [y1, y2, y3], where y2 = y1' and y3 = y2' if I'm not mistaken, I just don't see how this could be used to get a solution.
 
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KevinD6 said:
Oh yes, I'm sorry, for some reason I missed a negative sign on the 12 in the first row.

I kind of get the relationship too, Y = [y1, y2, y3], where y2 = y1' and y3 = y2' if I'm not mistaken, I just don't see how this could be used to get a solution.
There's a technique that can be used to convert a second- or higher-order differential equation into a system of linear differential equations, and possibly that's what happened here. If y1 = y, then from the above, y2 = y' and y3 = y'' and y3' = y'''. So an equation in y, y', y'', and y''' can be rewritten as a system of linear equations in y1, y2, and y3.
 
Hmm, I just tried that but it seems that the variable 'y' cannot be used in my answer.
 
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y is a vector. I'm pretty sure you need to specify y1, y2, and y3 separately.
 
  • #11
Mark44 said:
There's a technique that can be used to convert a second- or higher-order differential equation into a system of linear differential equations, and possibly that's what happened here. If y1 = y, then from the above, y2 = y' and y3 = y'' and y3' = y'''. So an equation in y, y', y'', and y''' can be rewritten as a system of linear equations in y1, y2, and y3.

I tried to convert the system of equations into a third-order differential equation, but to my surprise, it fell apart to three independent second-order equations: y1"=4y1, y2"=4y2, y3"=4y3. :)
 
  • #12
Mark44 said:
You have this:
##Y = C_1 v_1 e^{-2t} + C_2 v_2 t e^{-2t} + C_3 v_3 e^{2t} ##
With the three vectors and the constants now included, it looks like this:
$$Y = -3 \begin{bmatrix} -1 \\ 0 \\ 1 \end{bmatrix} e^{-2t} + 13/2 \begin{bmatrix} 0 \\ 1 \\ 0\end{bmatrix} e^{-2t} + 4 \begin{bmatrix} -3 \\ 6 \\ 4\end{bmatrix} e^{2t} $$

You can get your three solutions out of the above.

Edit: I assumed without checking that the work shown was correct.

I got something different. The general solution does not involve a term with t e-2t. (Mark, you omitted the factor t in the second term. Was it a typo?)
 
  • #13
ehild said:
I got something different. The general solution does not involve a term with t e-2t. (Mark, you omitted the factor t in the second term. Was it a typo?)
Yes. I didn't notice the factor of t in the second term of the solution the OP showed in post 1.
 
  • #14
@Kevin: y1, y2, y3 are the components of the vector Y, and the matrix equation can be expanded into a system of linear differential equation for y1, y2, y3:
y1'=14y1 - 12y3
y2'=24y1 -2y2 +24y3
y3'=16y1+ 14y3.

If you have repeated roots λ of the characteristic equation, take one solution as v1eλt, and the other solution in the form (v2+tv3)eλt.
 

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