Solving a system of equations with 5 unknowns

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter hmparticle9
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations derived from Schrödinger's equation with a potential featuring two delta spikes. Participants explore the relationships between the unknowns involved in the equations, specifically focusing on the variables A, B, C, D, and F, and the goal of determining the transmission coefficient.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a set of equations involving complex variables A, B, C, D, and F, seeking to find a relationship between these variables to compute the transmission coefficient.
  • Another participant suggests setting up a linear equation system for A, B, C, and D, proposing to use a 4x4 matrix for inversion to solve for the unknowns.
  • Several participants express confusion about the number of unknowns, clarifying that F is a linear combination of C and D, which leads to the conclusion that five unknowns are indeed present.
  • One participant mentions solving the equations by hand, indicating that the process was tedious but ultimately straightforward.
  • Another participant provides a detailed outline of their approach, including matrix setup and inversion, while expressing concern about potential typos in their equations.
  • A later post raises a suspicion about a possible mistake in the equations, specifically regarding the placement of the factor β in the equations.
  • One participant shares a derived expression for the ratio F/A, indicating a possible path to finding the transmission coefficient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the equations or the correctness of certain assumptions. Multiple competing views and methods are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal path forward.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the algebra involved and the potential for errors in the setup of the equations. There is also mention of normalization considerations for scattering problems, which may affect the interpretation of results.

hmparticle9
Messages
157
Reaction score
26
I am solving Schrödingers equation with a potential with two "delta" spikes: One at ##a## and another at ##-a##, with magnitude ##-\alpha##. In the process of looking for scattering solutions I have come across the following four equations:

$$A + B \beta = C + D \beta$$
$$C \beta + D = F \beta$$
$$ik(C - D\beta - A + B\beta) = \delta (A+B\beta)$$
$$ik(F\beta - C\beta + D) = \delta F \beta$$

where ##\beta = e^{2ika}## and ##\delta = -\frac{2m\alpha}{h^2}##.


##A,B,C,D,F## are (possibly) complex numbers. ##k## is a constant. ##i## is the square root of ##-1##.

I need to find the transmission coefficient of the problem, which basically means I need the quantity:

$$\frac{|F|^2}{|A|^2}$$

which means I need to find ##A## in terms of ##F##, or more so the other way around. ##F## in terms of ##A##.

I have ##F## in terms of ##C## and ##D##:

$$C \beta + D = F \beta$$

I have found $$C = (\frac{\delta}{2ik} +1) A + \frac{\delta \beta}{2ik}B$$
and $$D = -\frac{\delta}{2ik\beta} A + (1-\frac{\delta}{2ik}) B$$

I have put these values in the equation

$$A + B \beta = C + D \beta$$

to verify correctness. All I need to do now is find a relationship between ##A## and ##B##.

This I am struggling with. Could someone give me a hand?
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
I would set up the linear equation system for ##A,B,C,D## and hopefully get a ##4\times 4## matrix. Then invert this matrix, either manually or with the help of https://www.symbolab.com/solver/matrix-calculator, which allows variable names. If you have the solutions for ##A,B,C,D##, then you're done.
 
My bad. I made a mistake in the title. I have 5 unknowns.
 
hmparticle9 said:
My bad. I made a mistake in the title. I have 5 unknowns.
Where is the fifth? ##F## is a linear combination of ##C## and ##D##.
 
How do I delete questions? I solved it by hand in the end. Quite simple but tedious work
 
hmparticle9 said:
How do I delete questions? I solved it by hand in the end. Quite simple but tedious work
You have an equation for ##F## so ##A,B,C,D## would have been enough. I think the website I linked to can also solve ##5\times 5 ## matrices.
 
hmparticle9 said:
How do I delete questions? I solved it by hand in the end. Quite simple but tedious work
Why not answer your own question and show us the solution? It will help others who will read your thread.
 
  • Agree
Likes   Reactions: Mark44
I have provided an outline. Two reasons. The algebra is intense, and my workings are now in the local skip.

Quick sheets - page 2.webp
 
I used for convenience the parameters ##ik=n\, , \,b=\beta\, , \,d=\delta## and set up the equation system
\begin{align*}
\begin{pmatrix}1&1&-1&-1\\-n-d&bn-db&n&-bn\\0&0&-db&2n-d\\0&0&0&1
\end{pmatrix}&\cdot
\begin{pmatrix}A\\B\\C\\D\end{pmatrix} =
\begin{pmatrix}0\\0 \\0\\ D\end{pmatrix}\\
\end{align*}
where I hopefully didn't make typos. Then I fed
https://www.symbolab.com/solver/matrix-calculator/\left(d-db+nb+n\right)\begin{pmatrix}1&1&-1&-1\\ -n-d&bn-db&n&-bn\\ 0&0&-db&2n-d\\ 0&0&0&1\end{pmatrix}^{\left(-1\right)}?or=input
to do me the inversion. This resulted in
\begin{align*}
\dfrac{1}{d-db+nb+n}
\begin{pmatrix}-db+nb&-1&\frac{db-nb-n}{db}&-\frac{d^2b^2-d^2b+nd+3ndb-2n^2-2n^2b}{db}\\ d+n&1&-\frac{1}{b}&-\frac{-nb^2-nb-db+d-2n}{b}\\ 0&0&-\frac{d-db+nb+n}{db}&\frac{\left(-d+2n\right)\left(d-db+nb+n\right)}{db}\\ 0&0&0&d-db+nb+n\end{pmatrix}
\end{align*}
so my result is
\begin{align*}
(d-db+nb+n)\begin{pmatrix}A\\B\\C\\D\end{pmatrix}=
\begin{pmatrix}-db+nb&-1&\frac{db-nb-n}{db}&-\frac{d^2b^2-d^2b+nd+3ndb-2n^2-2n^2b}{db}\\ d+n&1&-\frac{1}{b}&-\frac{-nb^2-nb-db+d-2n}{b}\\ 0&0&-\frac{d-db+nb+n}{db}&\frac{\left(-d+2n\right)\left(d-db+nb+n\right)}{db}\\ 0&0&0&d-db+nb+n\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}0\\0\\0\\D\end{pmatrix}
\end{align*}
I used ##D## as a parameter for the solution space because the algorithm handled it best. Since the first line says ##A\sim B## with an appropriate factor, we have also all solutions depending only on ##A.##
 
Last edited:
  • #10
hmparticle9 said:
My bad. I made a mistake in the title. I have 5 unknowns.
But one of the unknowns is normalization (for scattering this is usually normalized to incident flux.... hence the ratio requested) so your original statement is OK. I recommend looking at the limits of ......α= 0, and perhaps a=0 (single delta fn at origin)
Will return to this later.... don't have the time right now. Shouldn't be too hard methinks.
 
  • #11
I have found
$$
\dfrac{F}{A}=\dfrac{2ik\delta(1-\beta)-2k^2(1+\beta)}
{\delta^2\beta(\beta-1)+ik\delta(1+3\beta)+2k^2(1+\beta)}
$$

If I were to find a mistake, I would look closer at the third equation. My suspicion is that the factor ##\beta## should be at ##C## and not at ##D.##
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
628
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K