Solving a system of ODE with multiple 'time' variables

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a system of first-order differential equations involving multiple independent time variables. The original poster seeks to understand how to extend classical existence theorems, such as Picard and Peano, to this scenario where the time variables are not equal.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the need for relationships between the time variables and discuss the implications of treating them as independent. There are inquiries about conditions on the functions involved to ensure existence and uniqueness of solutions without solving the system.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants suggesting that the problem may be reducible under certain conditions, while others emphasize the complexity introduced by the independence of the time variables. There is no explicit consensus, but various perspectives on how to approach the problem are being shared.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that initial conditions may not be constants but rather functions dependent on the multiple time variables, which adds complexity to the problem. There is a focus on finding theorems or conditions that could apply to this specific case.

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Homework Statement


Hi everyone,

Consider the following system of (first order) differential equations:
[itex]\dot{x}=f(t_1,x,y,z)[/itex]
[itex]\dot{y}=g(t_2,x,y,z)[/itex]
[itex]\dot{z}=h(t_3,x,y,z)[/itex]

where [itex]\dot{x}=\frac{\partial x}{\partial t_1}[/itex], [itex]\dot{y}=\frac{\partial y}{\partial t_2}[/itex], and [itex]\dot{z}=\frac{\partial z}{\partial t_3}[/itex].


Homework Equations



All existence theorems I know (picard and peano) are formulated such that [itex]t_1=t_2=t_3[/itex], but I'd like to know how to extend these results to the cae shown above.

The Attempt at a Solution



I've tried reading the proofs to see if I can figure out a way to apply them to this problem, but I can't see how...Does someone knows whether these theorems hold true when [itex]t_1 \neq t_2 \neq t_3[/itex]? Any help/reference where to look for such theorem would be greatly appreciate!
 
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I'm no ODE guru but it seems to me you need some type of relation between the three t variables.
 
Thanks for your answer. These variables are independent...what I want are conditions of
the [itex]f[/itex]'s functions to ensure existence and uniqueness without having to solve the system...any idea how I should proceed?

Antiphon said:
I'm no ODE guru but it seems to me you need some type of relation between the three t variables.
 
Using different differentiation rules, and given a relations [itex]t_2=t_2(t_1)[/itex] and [itex]t_3=t_3(t_1)[/itex], you should be able to reduce the problem to a set of (possibly nonlinear nonautonomous) delay differential equations.

EDIT:
Sorry, I missed your last comment.
 
espen180 said:
Using different differentiation rules, and given a relations [itex]t_2=t_2(t_1)[/itex] and [itex]t_3=t_3(t_1)[/itex], you should be able to reduce the problem to a set of (possibly nonlinear nonautonomous) delay differential equations.

EDIT:
Sorry, I missed your last comment.

No problem...should I infer that without this relation between the t variables I cannot proceed any further?
 
Not neccesarily. You should still be able to solve the system. Just keep in mind that since each f, g and h are implicitly dependent on all the t's, so all of x, y and z will also be dependent an all the t's. Also, you won't get neccesarily get constants as initial contitions, but functions. For example, the initial condition for x might be a function of t2 and t3.
 
espen180 said:
Not neccesarily. You should still be able to solve the system. Just keep in mind that since each f, g and h are implicitly dependent on all the t's, so all of x, y and z will also be dependent an all the t's. Also, you won't get neccesarily get constants as initial contitions, but functions. For example, the initial condition for x might be a function of t2 and t3.

ok...understood. As initila conditions I have [itex]f(0,x,y,z)=c_1[/itex], [itex]g(0,x,y,z)=c_2[/itex], and [itex]h(0,x,y,z)=c_1[/itex], where [itex]c[/itex]'s are constants. I don't want to actually solve the system, I want conditions on the f,g, and h functions that ensures existence (and uniqueness) of some solution. Is there any theorem that might help me?
 

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