Undergrad Solving a Tricky Nonlinear Equation System: A Quest for Closed Form Solutions

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The discussion centers on solving a nonlinear system of equations represented by x² - y² = 5 and x + y = xy, which leads to the quartic equation x^4 - 2x^3 - 5x^2 - 10x - 5 = 0. Participants confirm that the equation has two real roots and a pair of complex-conjugate roots, with no integer or rational solutions available. The use of tools like Wolfram Alpha is recommended for finding roots, as the general solution for quartic equations is complex and cumbersome.

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I'm trying to find a closed form (an algebraic solution) for the following system:

x² - y² = 5
x + y = xy

It's a bit tricky but I manage to end up with the quartic equation:
x^4 - 2x^3 + 5x^2 -10x + 5 =0
And this is where I get stuck looking for a closed form root.
Any suggestion would be appreciated
 
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n7imo said:
I'm trying to find a closed form (an algebraic solution) for the following system:

x² - y² = 5
x + y = xy

It's a bit tricky but I manage to end up with the quartic equation:
x^4 - 2x^3 + 5x^2 -10x + 5 =0
And this is where I get stuck looking for a closed form root.
Any suggestion would be appreciated
You won't find any integer or rational solutions. The general solution to a fourth degree equation is pretty daunting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartic_function

This particular equation has two real and a pair of complex-conjugate roots.

BTW, I checked your algebra in reducing your system of equations to one equation in x. I think you have some mistakes there, since I don't obtain your particular quartic equation.

In any event, the resulting quartic still has two real and a pair of complex-conjugate solutions, none of which are nice integers or rationals.

I used Wolfram Alpha to solve for the roots. It's much easier than anything else.
 
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SteamKing said:
You won't find any integer or rational solutions. The general solution to a fourth degree equation is pretty daunting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartic_function

This particular equation has two real and a pair of complex-conjugate roots.

BTW, I checked your algebra in reducing your system of equations to one equation in x. I think you have some mistakes there, since I don't obtain your particular quartic equation.

In any event, the resulting quartic still has two real and a pair of complex-conjugate solutions, none of which are nice integers or rationals.

I used Wolfram Alpha to solve for the roots. It's much easier than anything else.

Indeed, the right resulting quartic equation is x^4 - 2x^3 - 5x^2 -10x - 5 =0. I used Cardano and Lagrange method to find the real roots, but their form is very ugly.
Actually I got this equation while trying to solve a simple geometrical problem. I'll post it today on a new thread, I'm interested in finding a simpler method to solving it since mine leads to a quartic equation.

Thanks for the contribution.
 

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