Solving an Integral using Feyman's trick

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral from 0 to 1 of (sin(ln(x))/ln(x) dx using Feynman's technique. Participants explore different approaches to the problem, focusing on the calculation of constants and limits in the context of integral evaluation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their steps in solving the integral, expressing uncertainty about the calculation of a constant in step 5.
  • Another participant suggests that taking the limit as alpha approaches +infinity might resolve a sign issue with the constant.
  • A different participant raises a concern that taking the limit as alpha approaches +infinity could lead to divergence of the integral.
  • It is noted that the integral converges only when alpha is greater than zero due to the integration over the negative x-axis.
  • One participant claims to have calculated the constant C to be π/2, contrasting with the earlier claim of -π/2.
  • A later reply indicates that taking the limit as alpha approaches +infinity of the inverse tangent of alpha results in C being equal to π/2, leading to the integral result of π/4.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate limits to use in the integral evaluation and the resulting constant. There is no consensus on the correct approach, and multiple competing views remain regarding the calculation steps and limits.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of limits on the convergence of the integral, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions involved in the calculations.

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Readers interested in advanced integral techniques, particularly those involving Feynman's trick, and those exploring mathematical reasoning in the context of limits and convergence may find this discussion relevant.

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Hey guys ! I just need a little help on a integral I was trying to solve using feyman's technique.

This is the integral from 0 to 1 of (sin(ln(x))/ln(x) dx, which has been solved in one of the videos of bprp, but I'm trying to solve it using a different technique, and I end up with a different result, which is false of course, but the thing is I want to know where I messed up (not sure, but I have a feeling it's on point 5 where I calculate the constant)

Those are my steps :

-step 1 : I do a u sub and define my function I(alpha)

-step 2 : I do the partial derivative with respect to alpha of I(alpha)

-step 3 : I find the antiderivative of sin(u)exp(alpha*u)

-step 4 : I plug my antiderivative into my integral, and calculate it. Then I integrate back I'(alpha) to find back I(alpha)

-step 5 : I use the limit as alpha goes to -inf to make the integral equals to 0 to be able to calculate the constant

-step 6 : I use I(1) to calculate the integral, but in the end I find -3pi/4 instead of pi/4.Do you guys know where I messed up ? That would help me a lot, thanks !View attachment a27d24_721afbacfbfb4ce0905c9097e193e4e0_mv2.webp
 
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Bprp is an acronym for Youtuber BlackPenRedPen right?
 
Yes !
jedishrfu said:
Bprp is an acronym for Youtuber BlackPenRedPen right?
 
Because the limits of the integral are from ## x=-\infty## to ##x=0##, you want to take the limit as ##\alpha \to +\infty## to make it vanish. I think that'll fix your sign problem on the constant.
 
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But if I take the limit as alpha goes to +inf, wouldn't the integral diverges ? Because the limit as alpha goes to +inf of exp(alpha*x) is equal to +inf right ? But if I take the limit as alpha goes to -inf, then exp(alpha*x) will be equal to zero, and the integral would vanish right ?
 
The integral only converges when ##\alpha>0## because you're integrating over the negative ##x##-axis. The same issue applies when you take the limit.
 
Flamitique said:
Hey guys ! I just need a little help on a integral I was trying to solve using feyman's technique.

This is the integral from 0 to 1 of (sin(ln(x))/ln(x) dx, which has been solved in one of the videos of bprp, but I'm trying to solve it using a different technique, and I end up with a different result, which is false of course, but the thing is I want to know where I messed up (not sure, but I have a feeling it's on point 5 where I calculate the constant)

Those are my steps :

-step 1 : I do a u sub and define my function I(alpha)

-step 2 : I do the partial derivative with respect to alpha of I(alpha)

-step 3 : I find the antiderivative of sin(u)exp(alpha*u)

-step 4 : I plug my antiderivative into my integral, and calculate it. Then I integrate back I'(alpha) to find back I(alpha)

-step 5 : I use the limit as alpha goes to -inf to make the integral equals to 0 to be able to calculate the constant

-step 6 : I use I(1) to calculate the integral, but in the end I find -3pi/4 instead of pi/4.Do you guys know where I messed up ? That would help me a lot, thanks !View attachment 284090
When I went through it, I calculated the constant ##C## to be ##\pi/2## not ##-\pi/2##
 
Thank you vela for your help, now I understand ! So yes stevendaryl, now if I take the limit as alpha goes to +inf of the inverse tangent of alpha, C will be equal to pi/2, and the result of the integral is indeed pi/4 ! Thanks for your help!
 
Take some time to learn latex. It will really be worth it and will help us answer your questions better.
 

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