Solving Bill and Jill's Line Painting Problem

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The problem involves Bill and Jill, who are tasked with painting a line on the road. Bill can complete the task in B hours, while Jill can do it in J hours. The scenario describes Bill starting the work first, followed by Jill starting an hour later, and the goal is to find the expression for the total hours Bill works.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the work done by Bill and Jill in terms of fractions of the line painted per hour. There are attempts to derive expressions based on their individual work rates and the timing of their efforts.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem setup, particularly regarding the amount of work remaining after Bill's initial hour of work. Some participants suggest different ways to express the remaining work and question the assumptions made in the calculations. There is no clear consensus on the correct approach yet, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of Jill starting her work an hour later and how that affects the total work done. There are also concerns about matching the derived expressions to given options, indicating potential misunderstandings or miscalculations in the initial attempts.

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Homework Statement


Bill and Jill are hired to paint a line on the road. If Bill works by himself, he could paint the line in B hours. If Jill works by herself, she could paint the line in J hours. Bill starts painting the line from one end and Jill begins painting the line from the other end one hour later. They both work until the line is painted. Find the expression for the number of hours that Bill works.


The Attempt at a Solution



One hour work of Bill and Jill= 1/B and 1/J respectively.

Time taken by both, if both start working simultaneously= BJ/(B+J) ...(i)

As Jill starts work an hour later, work still left= 1/J

Time taken by Bill to complete the remaining work=(1/J)/(1/B)=B/J ...(ii)
Total time for which Bill had to work= (B(J^2+J+B))/(J(B+J)) ...(i)+(ii)

But my answer doent match th given options, where is the mistake?
 
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ritwik06 said:
As Jill starts work an hour later, work still left= 1/J


Wouldn't the work still left = B-1
 
montoyas7940 said:
Wouldn't the work still left = B-1

No. If Jill works one hour less, an amount of work of 1/J is left undone.
What's wrong is that both Bill and Jill work to finish of this last (1/J) part of the line.
 
The way I read it, Bill completes a total of one hour of work before Jill begins. So if you look at the remaining work after 1 hour in terms of B then it is B-1 hour. I guess that might be better if written as B-(1/B) since Bill has completed 1/B out of B. Do we agree that 1 hour of Bills work is 1/B ?
 
Thanks Kamerling! and please I would ask others not to misguide me please. Thanks again kamerling
 
ritwik06 said:
and please I would ask others not to misguide me please.

Ha Ha, Ok I'll Bite.


[tex]\frac{B-(1/B)}{1/B+1/J}+1[/tex]

This is what I got. What did you end up with.
 
montoyas7940 said:
Ha Ha, Ok I'll Bite.


[tex]\frac{B-(1/B)}{1/B+1/J}+1[/tex]

This is what I got. What did you end up with.

I got this:
[tex]\frac{B(J+1)}{B+J}[/tex]
 
Wow... sorry.
 
ritwik06 said:

Homework Statement


Bill and Jill are hired to paint a line on the road. If Bill works by himself, he could paint the line in B hours. If Jill works by herself, she could paint the line in J hours. Bill starts painting the line from one end and Jill begins painting the line from the other end one hour later. They both work until the line is painted. Find the expression for the number of hours that Bill works.


The Attempt at a Solution



One hour work of Bill and Jill= 1/B and 1/J respectively.

Time taken by both, if both start working simultaneously= BJ/(B+J) ...(i)

As Jill starts work an hour later, work still left= 1/J

Time taken by Bill to complete the remaining work=(1/J)/(1/B)=B/J ...(ii)
Total time for which Bill had to work= (B(J^2+J+B))/(J(B+J)) ...(i)+(ii)

But my answer doent match th given options, where is the mistake?

I think your basic reasoning is flawed. Your first calculation is the amount of time it would take to do the entire road if they both worked the entire time. Then you add to that the time it takes Bill to do one hour's worth of Jill's work. That does not follow.

I would do it this way:
Let t be the time Bill works. Then the time Jill works is t- 1. Together they paint (1/B)t+ (1/J)(t-1) fraction of the road. Since you want the time it takes to paint the entire road, (1/B)t+ (1/J)(t-1)= 1. Solve that equation for t.
 
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