Solving boundary value problem (Wave Equation)

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The discussion revolves around a boundary-value problem related to the wave equation, specifically the equation $$u_{tt}=u_{xx}$$ with initial conditions $$u(x,0)=2f(x)$$ and $$u_t(x,0)=2g(x)$$. Participants are exploring the proposed solution form $$u(x,t)=f(x+t)+f(x-t)+G(x+t)-G(x-t)$$, where ##G## is an antiderivative of ##g##.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of the solution and the implications of the initial conditions. There is an exploration of the relationships between the functions involved, particularly how to differentiate and integrate them correctly. Some participants express confusion regarding the use of capital and lowercase letters for functions and the distinction between them.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts at deriving the solution and clarifying their understanding of the functions involved. There is recognition of the need to differentiate between the general solution and the specific functions given in the problem. Guidance has been offered on how to proceed with the equations derived from the initial conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of boundary conditions in the problem, which adds to their confusion, as most examples they have encountered include such conditions. This context is influencing their approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Show that the boundary-value problem $$u_{tt}=u_{xx}\qquad u(x,0)=2f(x)\qquad u_t(x,0)=2g(x)$$ has the solution $$u(x,t)=f(x+t)+f(x-t)+G(x+t)-G(x-t)$$ where ##G## is an antiderivative/indefinite integral of ##g##. Here, we assume that ##-\infty<x<\infty## and ##t\geq 0##

Homework Equations



I know that the solution for a wave equation of the form ##u_{tt}=a^2u_{xx}## is ##u(x,t)=f(x+at)+g(x-at)##

The Attempt at a Solution



Using the "knowledge" above, I tried to take the first partial derivative of ##u(x,t)=f(x+t)+g(x-t)## with respect to ##t## since ##a=1##. I got ##u_t(x,t)=f'(x+t)-g'(x-t)## Then using the conditions ##u(x,0)=2f(x)## and ##u_t(x,0)=2g(x)##, I substituted 0 for ##t## and set them equal to ##2f(x)## and ##2g(x)##.

I came up with ##f(x)=g(x)=\frac{1}{2}(f'(x)-g'(x))##, which I thought could also be ##\frac{1}{2}(f'(x)-G(x))##. But then I got stuck because I have no idea how to get to $$u(x,t)=f(x+t)+f(x-t)+G(x+t)-G(x-t)$$

Part of my confusion is that I only have initial conditions and no boundary conditions, and all the examples I can find have boundary conditions as well, not just initial.

Thanks so much if you can help :smile: I might just be missing something because I'm in freak out mode about my test tomorrow on this stuff! This is a numerical methods for differential equations class by the way.
 
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mizzcriss said:

Homework Statement



Show that the boundary-value problem $$u_{tt}=u_{xx}\qquad u(x,0)=2f(x)\qquad u_t(x,0)=2g(x)$$ has the solution $$u(x,t)=f(x+t)+f(x-t)+G(x+t)-G(x-t)$$ where ##G## is an antiderivative/indefinite integral of ##g##. Here, we assume that ##-\infty<x<\infty## and ##t\geq 0##

Homework Equations



I know that the solution for a wave equation of the form ##u_{tt}=a^2u_{xx}## is ##u(x,t)=f(x+at)+g(x-at)##

Let's say ##u(x,t) = F(x+t) + G(x-t)## since we don't want to confuse the general solution with the ##f## and ##g## given in the problem. And we have ##a=1##.

The Attempt at a Solution



Using the "knowledge" above, I tried to take the first partial derivative of ##u(x,t)=f(x+t)+g(x-t)## with respect to ##t## since ##a=1##. I got ##u_t(x,t)=f'(x+t)-g'(x-t)##

Good so far, but let's use the capital letters.

##u(x,t)=F(x+t)+G(x-t)##
##u_t(x,t)=F'(x+t)-G'(x-t)##
Then using the conditions ##u(x,0)=2f(x)## and ##u_t(x,0)=2g(x)##, I substituted 0 for ##t## and set them equal to ##2f(x)## and ##2g(x)##.

This should give you

##F(x)+G(x) = 2f(x)##
##F'(x)-G'(x) = 2g(x)##

I came up with ##f(x)=g(x)=\frac{1}{2}(f'(x)-g'(x))##, which I thought could also be ##\frac{1}{2}(f'(x)-G(x))##. But then I got stuck because I have no idea how to get to $$u(x,t)=f(x+t)+f(x-t)+G(x+t)-G(x-t)$$

Part of your trouble is confusing the capital F and G with the little f and g. What you want to do next is integrate the equation ##F'(x)-G'(x) = 2g(x)## giving$$
F(x) - G(x) = 2\int g(x)\, dx =2 H(x)$$
where I am just using ##H## for the antiderivative of ##g##.

Now work with these two equations:

##F(x)+G(x) = 2f(x)##
##F(x) - G(x) = 2H(x)##

to solve for ##F## and ##G##.
 
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Wow thank you so so much! :smile:

From the 2 equations I came up with $$F(x)=f(x)+H(x)$$ and $$G(x)=f(x)-H(x)$$ Then adding them gives me essentially exactly what I need but in the problem the solution ##u(x,t)=f(x+t)+f(x−t)+G(x+t)−G(x−t)## uses lower case f and capital G, those aren't like typos or something. You were exactly right that I was thinking that the ##f## and ##g## from the general solution and the conditions were the same thing, when apparently they aren't :redface: So could I just use completely different letters/symbols for the general solution to keep the variables separate?
 
mizzcriss said:
Wow thank you so so much! :smile:
You're welcome
From the 2 equations I came up with $$F(x)=f(x)+H(x)$$ and $$G(x)=f(x)-H(x)$$ Then adding them gives me essentially exactly what I need but in the problem the solution ##u(x,t)=f(x+t)+f(x−t)+G(x+t)−G(x−t)## uses lower case f and capital G, those aren't like typos or something. You were exactly right that I was thinking that the ##f## and ##g## from the general solution and the conditions were the same thing, when apparently they aren't :redface: So could I just use completely different letters/symbols for the general solution to keep the variables separate?

Yes, that is what you should do. When I wrote up my original reply I hadn't noticed you had already used G or I wouldn't have used it either.
 

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