Solving Calculus: Derivative of x(t)

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The discussion focuses on the confusion surrounding the derivative of a function expressed in terms of another variable, specifically x(t). The key point is the proper application of the chain rule and the misunderstanding of treating dt and dx as variables that can cancel out. It is clarified that if u = x(t), then u and x are the same function, and thus a direct substitution is not necessary. Instead, the correct approach involves using dx = (dx/dt) dt for integration. Ultimately, it is emphasized that when integrating with respect to x, the function's dependence on t does not change the integration process.
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I am trying to repair my rusty calculus. I don't see how du = dx*dt/dt, I know its chain rule, but I got (du/dx)*(dx/dt) instead of dxdt/dt, if I recall correctly, you cannot treat dt or dx as a variable, so they don't cancel out. so for (du/dx)(dx/dt) to become dxdt/dt, du/dx must equal to dt, which is not...
 

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What the book has is a bit absurd. If ##u = x(t)##, then ##u## and ##x## are the same function. That's not really a substitution. Instead, you can use

##dx = \frac{dx}{dt} dt##

Directly.
 
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PeroK said:
What the book has is a bit absurd. If ##u = x(t)##, then ##u## and ##x## are the same function. That's not really a substitution. Instead, you can use

##dx = \frac{dx}{dt} dt##

Directly.
thank you, I see, so it doesn't matter if x is a function of t, we just integrate it regularly?
 
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thank you, I see, so it doesn't matter if x is a function of t, we just integrate it regularly?

If you have an integral in ##x##, you have an integral in ##x##. It doesn't matter that you can express ##x## as a function of another variable. In a way, you can always do that.
 
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