Integral of (xsin(t))....Two Variables in Single Variable Calc Integral

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the derivative of an integral involving the expression \( x \sin(t) \) with respect to \( x \). Participants are exploring the application of calculus techniques, particularly the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, in the context of a single-variable calculus problem that involves two variables.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the legality of bringing \( x \) out of the integral and whether \( x \) should be treated as a function of \( t \). There is consideration of using the product rule and the implications of moving the derivative inside the integral. Some participants question the correct formulation of the integral and the variable of integration.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to the problem, with some participants confirming the validity of the integral expression and discussing the application of the product rule. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being considered, and guidance has been offered regarding the use of calculus principles.

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Participants note the importance of specifying the variable of integration and the presence of \( dt \) in the integral. There is uncertainty regarding whether \( x \) should be treated as a constant or a function of \( t \), which affects the approach taken in the problem.

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Homework Statement
Evaluate d/dx ∫(limits: 0,x) x*sin(t)
Relevant Equations
d/dx ∫ (0,x) f(t)= f(x)*x'

uv-∫vdu = ∫udv
I was told this problem could simply be solved with calc-1 techniques, so I'm tempted to say we could do d/dx(x∫(limits: 0,x) sin(t) dt. Then it's a simple product rule: d/dx (x) * ∫(0,x) sint dt + x * d/dx(∫ (0,x) sin (t) dt) = 1 - cos(x) + x*sin(x). However, I wonder if we have to allow that x is a function of t and then I would be forbidden from bringing x out of the integral. Is this allowed?

I tried moving the d/dx inside the integral too (∫ d/dx (x*sint) dt = ∫ sint dt + ∫x*d/dx(sint) dt.
∫ sint dt = 1 - cos(x)
∫x*d/dx(sint) dt means integration by parts (not really calc 1).

u=x
du=dx/dt
dv= d/dx(sint)
v =∫ d/dx (sint), but now the variables are getting all screwed up because the integral is with respect to t, but I'm taking d/dx. Was my first approach legal enough?
 
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The Head said:
Homework Statement:: Evaluate d/dx ∫(limits: 0,x) x*sin(t)
Relevant Equations:: d/dx ∫ (0,x) f(t)= f(x)*x'
Your relevant equation is incorrect. Here's what it should say.
$$\frac d {dx}\int_0^x f(t) dt = f(x)$$
Notice that I have included dt in the integrand, which you don't show in the homework statement. Notice also that x' is not part of the answer.
This equation is a consequence of the first part of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus.

I'm guessing that the full Homework Statement indicates that you are to evaluate this expression:
$$\frac d {dx}\int_0^x x\sin(t) dt$$
I'm guessing, because your version doesn't indicate which is the variable of integration, so I'm uncertain whether the last thing in the integral should be dt or dx.
The Head said:
uv-∫vdu = ∫udv

I was told this problem could simply be solved with calc-1 techniques, so I'm tempted to say we could do d/dx(x∫(limits: 0,x) sin(t) dt. Then it's a simple product rule: d/dx (x) * ∫(0,x) sint dt + x * d/dx(∫ (0,x) sin (t) dt) = 1 - cos(x) + x*sin(x). However, I wonder if we have to allow that x is a function of t and then I would be forbidden from bringing x out of the integral. Is this allowed?

I tried moving the d/dx inside the integral too (∫ d/dx (x*sint) dt = ∫ sint dt + ∫x*d/dx(sint) dt.
∫ sint dt = 1 - cos(x)
∫x*d/dx(sint) dt means integration by parts (not really calc 1).

u=x
du=dx/dt
dv= d/dx(sint)
v =∫ d/dx (sint), but now the variables are getting all screwed up because the integral is with respect to t, but I'm taking d/dx. Was my first approach legal enough?
 
Mark44 said:
Your relevant equation is incorrect. Here's what it should say.
$$\frac d {dx}\int_0^x f(t) dt = f(x)$$
Notice that I have included dt in the integrand, which you don't show in the homework statement. Notice also that x' is not part of the answer.
This equation is a consequence of the first part of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus.

I'm guessing that the full Homework Statement indicates that you are to evaluate this expression:
$$\frac d {dx}\int_0^x x\sin(t) dt$$
I'm guessing, because your version doesn't indicate which is the variable of integration, so I'm uncertain whether the last thing in the integral should be dt or dx.

Yes, $$\frac d {dx}\int_0^x x\sin(t) dt$$ is correct. Thanks, apologies on forgetting the dt. Is it OK to then just proceed with $$\frac d {dx}x\int_0^x sin(t) dt$$ and try for the product rule? It doesn't seem to specify if x is a function of t, but given how involved it gets when I don't make this assumption, I feel like this must be allowed.
 
The Head said:
Yes, $$\frac d {dx}\int_0^x x\sin(t) dt$$ is correct. Thanks, apologies on forgetting the dt. Is it OK to then just proceed with $$\frac d {dx}x\int_0^x sin(t) dt$$ and try for the product rule? It doesn't seem to specify if x is a function of t, but given how involved it gets when I don't make this assumption, I feel like this must be allowed.
That seems OK to me. I can't come up with a good reason why it isn't.
If we just look at the integral, it would be
$$\int_{t=0}^{t=x} x\sin(t)dt$$
As far as the integration is concerned, x is just a constant.

BTW, I appreciate you efforts in using LaTeX. It makes things much easier to read.
 
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