Solving circuit using complex numbers

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a circuit using complex numbers, specifically focusing on finding the current given certain parameters such as resistance and reactance in an AC circuit with a sinusoidal voltage source.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between resistance and reactance, questioning the implications of R equating to X_L and X_C. There are attempts to express the voltage and current in terms of complex numbers and phasors, with some participants expressing uncertainty about completing calculations or interpreting the circuit parameters correctly.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the circuit parameters and their implications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of complex impedances and phasor forms, but there is no explicit consensus on the next steps or final calculations.

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There is some confusion regarding the notation and relationships between R, X_L, and X_C, with participants clarifying their understanding of the circuit setup and the definitions of the impedances involved.

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Homework Statement


Find the current in them in this circuit, if we know [itex]R=X_L, X_C[/itex] and [itex]u=5sin(314t)[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution


First , [itex]5=U_0, 314=\omega[/itex] and voltage we can write as [itex]u=U_0cos(\omega t + \frac{\pi}{2})[/itex] and [itex]u=U_0 e^{i\frac{\pi}{2}}=iU_0[/itex]. [itex]U[/itex] is the voltage at the source [itex]U_1[/itex] in the branch and [itex]U_2[/itex] at the resistor. Now [itex]U=U_1+U_2[/itex] or [itex]U=IR+IZ[/itex] where [itex]\frac{1}{Z}=\frac{1}{iL\omega}-\frac{C\omega}{i}[/itex] or [itex]Z=\frac{iL\omega}{1-CL\omega^2}[/itex]
Now the current is [itex]I=\frac{U}{R+Z}[/itex] or when it is arranged [itex]I=\frac{iU_0(1-CL\omega^2)}{iL\omega (2-CL\omega^2)}[/itex]. Now I don't know how to complete the calculation to reduce it to the form like this [itex]I_0sin(\omega t + \theta)[/itex].
 

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If it is true that R = XL,XC, then XL = XC. What does that tell you about the LC tank circuit?
 
No just [itex]R=X_L[/itex].
 
masterjoda said:

Homework Statement


Find the current in them in this circuit, if we know [itex]R=X_L, X_C[/itex] and [itex]u=5sin(314t)[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution


First , [itex]5=U_0, 314=\omega[/itex] and voltage we can write as [itex]u=U_0cos(\omega t + \frac{\pi}{2})[/itex] and [itex]u=U_0 e^{i\frac{\pi}{2}}=iU_0[/itex]. [itex]U[/itex] is the voltage at the source [itex]U_1[/itex] in the branch and [itex]U_2[/itex] at the resistor. Now [itex]U=U_1+U_2[/itex] or [itex]U=IR+IZ[/itex] where [itex]\frac{1}{Z}=\frac{1}{iL\omega}-\frac{C\omega}{i}[/itex] or [itex]Z=\frac{iL\omega}{1-CL\omega^2}[/itex]
Now the current is [itex]I=\frac{U}{R+Z}[/itex] or when it is arranged [itex]I=\frac{iU_0(1-CL\omega^2)}{iL\omega (2-CL\omega^2)}[/itex]. Now I don't know how to complete the calculation to reduce it to the form like this [itex]I_0sin(\omega t + \theta)[/itex].
Doesn't [itex]R=X_L, X_C[/itex], mean that [itex]R=X_L=X_C\ ?[/itex]
 
masterjoda said:
No just [itex]R=X_L[/itex].

Ah, my bad. I read it as both being R, rather than as part of a list of known values. Where's a semicolon when you need one? :smile:

Anyways, you can write the complex impedances directly:

ZR = R

ZL = 0 + jR

ZC = 0 - jXC

These can then be used in formulas in the usual way to find voltages and currents (complex). Convert the values to phasor form at the end.
 
gneill said:
These can then be used in formulas in the usual way to find voltages and currents (complex). Convert the values to phasor form at the end.

I have used them and I got that last equation for [itex]I[/itex].
 
I'm not sure why you've gone to the "raw" L and C versions of the impedances when you've been given XL and XC. You should be able to find the total current as a complex function of u, R, and XC.
 

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