Solving Confusion About Black Holes, Schwarzschild Radius & Time Dilation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of black holes, specifically the Schwarzschild radius, time dilation, and the curvature of spacetime. Participants explore theoretical implications, observational perspectives, and the nature of gravitational effects near black holes.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that every mass has a Schwarzschild radius and suggests that mini-black holes could theoretically exist, capable of curving spacetime similarly to larger black holes.
  • Another participant argues that the curvature at the event horizon is inversely proportional to mass, indicating that smaller black holes have greater curvature at their event horizons compared to larger ones.
  • A participant questions whether an atomic nucleus curves spacetime more than a larger object, like a rock, as it approaches its Schwarzschild radius.
  • There is a discussion about the perception of time for an observer watching an object cross the event horizon of a supermassive black hole, with one participant suggesting that the object appears frozen in time from the observer's perspective.
  • Another participant clarifies that an observer outside the event horizon would never receive a light signal from an object crossing it, and notes that there is no gravitational "pull" in General Relativity, but rather a force required to hover outside the event horizon that increases as one approaches it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of spacetime curvature and its implications near black holes. There is no consensus on the relationship between mass, Schwarzschild radius, and spacetime curvature, nor on the observational effects experienced by objects crossing event horizons.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about spacetime curvature and gravitational effects without resolving the underlying complexities or mathematical details involved in these concepts.

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According to the theory, every mass has a Schwarzschild radius associated. Any object whose radius is smaller than its Schwarzschild radius is called a black hole.
So in principle is possible to create mini-black holes, it is just a fact of matter condensed.
Those mini black holes have their event horizon ecc, and despite their should evaporate in a infinitesimal amount of time, they have the same capacity to curve space time in the same fashion regular black holes do.
But I guess there is something wrong with my understanding of the theory, because:
Space time curvature is progressive for astronomical objects, for example Neutron Stars curve space-time 'more deeply' as they get closer the their Schwarzschild radius, and eventually becoming black holes.
Now, according to this logic, the more an object get closer to its SH radius, the more it curves space-time. Is this statement applicable to objects on the Earth? Ab absurdum, does an atomic nucleo curve space time more than a big and heavy rock?
 
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The curvature at the event horizon is actually inversely proportional to the mass - the smaller the BH, the larger the curvature at its event horizon. On the other hand, a proton, for example, is actually almost 40 orders of magnitude larger in radius than a BH of the same mass, so it is 'enormously further from being a BH' than is the earth. Thus the curvature it produces is wholly insignificant.
 
PAllen said:
The curvature at the event horizon is actually inversely proportional to the mass - the smaller the BH, the larger the curvature at its event horizon. On the other hand, a proton, for example, is actually almost 40 orders of magnitude larger in radius than a BH of the same mass, so it is 'enormously further from being a BH' than is the earth. Thus the curvature it produces is wholly insignificant.
okay, thanks for the answer.
So now I have another question: from the point of view of an observer, when an object crosses the event horizon of a super massive black hole, which density is low,it will be frozen immediately right?
According to the observer the object is already frozen in time even if the curvature at the event horizon, and so the gravitational pull, it's not extreme, right?
 
arkantos said:
okay, thanks for the answer.
So now I have another question: from the point of view of an observer, when an object crosses the event horizon of a super massive black hole, which density is low,it will be frozen immediately right?
According to the observer the object is already frozen in time even if the curvature at the event horizon, and so the gravitational pull, it's not extreme, right?
An observer outside the EH never receives a light signal from an object crossing the horizon.

There is, strictly speaking, no gravitational "pull" in GR. There is, however, a force required to hover outside the EH. That force increases without limit as you approach the EH.
 

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