Solving Cubic Equations with Cardano's Method: A Complete Guide

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The discussion revolves around solving the cubic equation x^3 - 3x - 2 = 0 using Cardano's method. Participants are exploring the application of this method and addressing potential errors in the original poster's approach.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply Cardano's method but expresses confusion regarding the derivation of u and v from their cube roots. Some participants question the assumption that u equals v, suggesting that while both are cube roots, they are not necessarily equal.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing insights into the relationships between u and v. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between the roots and the implications of the equations derived. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of the roots and their relationships.

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There is a mention of the original poster's requirement to use Cardano's method specifically, despite suggestions of alternative approaches. The discussion includes considerations of complex numbers and the implications of rationalizing expressions.

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Homework Statement



Find the solutions of:

[tex]x^3-3x-2=0[/tex]

using the Cardano's method.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]x=u+v[/tex]

[tex](u+v)^3-3(u+v)-2=0[/tex]

[tex]u^3+v^3+(u+v)(3uv-3)-2=0[/tex]

[tex]3uv-3=0[/tex]

[tex]uv=1[/tex]

[tex]u^3v^3=1[/tex]

[tex]u^3+v^3=2[/tex]

[tex]u^3=v^3=1[/tex]

Now [tex]u=v=\sqrt[3]{1}[/tex].

I found u and v with [tex]z=\sqrt[3]{1}[/tex] (using complex numbers).

[tex]u=v=1[/tex]

[tex]u=v=\frac{-1}{2}+i\frac{sqrt{3}}{2}[/tex]

[tex]u=v=\frac{-1}{2}-i\frac{sqrt{3}}{2}[/tex]

x=u+v

[tex]x_1=2[/tex]

[tex]x_2=-1+i\sqrt{3}[/tex]

[tex]x_3=-1-i\sqrt{3}[/tex]

I substitute above and something is wrong. Where is the error?
 
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there may be a better way out..observinf that if [tex]f(x)=x^3-3x-2[/tex].
clearly [tex]f(-1)=0[/tex]
satisfies the eqn...hence
[tex](x+1)[/tex] is a factor of [tex]f(x)[/tex].
Now use division and get [tex]f(x)[/tex] in the form of factors and put the other factor(other than [tex]x+1[/tex])
to be zero and solve for
[tex]x[/tex]
 
Yes, I know that there are few ways, but I need to solve it with Cardanos. Please help.
 
Physicsissuef said:

Homework Statement



Find the solutions of:

[tex]x^3-3x-2=0[/tex]

using the Cardano's method.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]x=u+v[/tex]

[tex](u+v)^3-3(u+v)-2=0[/tex]

[tex]u^3+v^3+(u+v)(3uv-3)-2=0[/tex]

[tex]3uv-3=0[/tex]

[tex]uv=1[/tex]

[tex]u^3v^3=1[/tex]

[tex]u^3+v^3=2[/tex]

[tex]u^3=v^3=1[/tex]
?? I don't see how this follows directly, although it is true. Since you have defined u and v such that uv= 1, you have v= 1/u and so [itex]u^3+ 1/u^3= 2[/itex]. Multiplying both sides by u3, you get the quadratic (in u3) (u3)2- 2(u3)+ 1= 0 which does give u3= 1 or u3= -1 as roots.

Now [tex]u=v=\sqrt[3]{1}[/tex].
No. This is your error. It does not follow from u3= v3 that u= v. Only that they are both cube roots of 3. And, as you note below, there are 3 of those.

I found u and v with [tex]z=\sqrt[3]{1}[/tex] (using complex numbers).

[tex]u=v=1[/tex]

[tex]u=v=\frac{-1}{2}+i\frac{sqrt{3}}{2}[/tex]

[tex]u=v=\frac{-1}{2}-i\frac{sqrt{3}}{2}[/tex]
You do NOT know, as I said, that u= v. You know, rather, that uv= 1 so v= 1/u.
If
[tex]u= \frac{-1+ i\sqrt{3}}{2}[/tex]
then
[tex]v= \frac{2}{-1+ i\sqrt{3}}[/tex]
rationalize the denominator by multiplying both numerator and denominator by [itex]-1+ i\sqrt{3}[/itex] and you get
[itex]\frac{-1- i\sqrt{3}}{2}[/itex]
the other non-real root of z3= 1.

Now, x= u+ v gives x= -1 which is correct. The three roots of x3- 3x- 2= 0 are 2, -1, -1.

x=u+v

[tex]x_1=2[/tex]

[tex]x_2=-1+i\sqrt{3}[/tex]

[tex]x_3=-1-i\sqrt{3}[/tex]

I substitute above and something is wrong. Where is the error?
 
So, first I found the 3 solutions of u , and then substitute in uv=1, I get v and then substitute in x=u+v, right?
 
Yes, basically, that is what you do.
 
Ok, thanks. But why I read that also suming [itex]u_1+v_1=x_1[/tex], will work if I found [itex]v_1[/itex], by using complex algebra?[/itex]
 

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