Solving DE Problems: Balloon, Projectile & Trypsin Formation

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The discussion revolves around solving differential equations related to three scenarios: the motion of a falling object (binoculars dropped from a rising balloon), the trajectory of a projectile fired vertically, and the formation of trypsin in the small intestine described by a differential equation. The participants are exploring the physics concepts involved, including kinematics and differential equations.

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  • Participants are attempting to apply kinematic equations to the problem of the falling binoculars, questioning the initial conditions and the effects of the balloon's upward motion. They also discuss the symmetry of projectile motion and energy conservation for the second problem. For the differential equation, there are inquiries about finding maximum rates of change and the need for initial conditions.

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Some participants are providing guidance on the initial conditions and the need to maintain consistent units. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the maximum change in the trypsin formation problem, with suggestions to recall methods for finding maxima in functions. Multiple interpretations and methods are being discussed without a clear consensus on the solutions.

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Participants note the mixing of units (feet and meters) in the calculations, which may affect the outcomes. There is also mention of the need for initial conditions in the differential equation problem, indicating potential constraints in the provided information.

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1. Homework Statement

. A balloon is rising at the constant rate of 10 feet/second and is 100 feet from the ground at the instant when the astronaut drops his binoculars. (a) How long will it take the binoculars to strike the ground? (b) With what speed will the binoculars strike the ground?


2. A projectile is fired vertically upward by a cannon with an initial velocity of vo meters per second.At what speed will the projectile be moving when it returns and strikes the hapless cannoneer(Neglect air resistance)


3. Consider the differential equation dy/dt =k(A-y)(B+y) for the formation of trypsin in the small intestine.Assuming that A>B determing the time t at which trypsin is being formed most rapidly.




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The Attempt at a Solution



for (1)
a=-g
v=-gt + c1

v=0 and t=0

0=0 +c1
so c1=0

v=-gt

s=-gt^2/2 +c2

s=100 t=0

so 100=c2

s=-gt^2/2 + 100
s=-4.9t^2 + 100

putting s=0

-4.9t^2+100=0

getting t=4.5sec

and v=-44feet/sec

but the answer given at the back is t=2.83sec and v=80.62ft/sec

what am i doing wrong
When binoculars will be dropped at that time v will be zero and so will be the time and at the same time its distance from the ground will be 100feet
vi=v0 m/sec

for (2)

acc=-g
v=-gt+c1
v0=c1
v=-gt+v0

s=-gt^2/2 + v0t + c2

s=0 and t=0

c2=0

s=-gt^2/2 +volt

s=-4.9t^2 + volt

how to solve it further?

for (3)

dy/dt=k(A-y)(B+y)

dy/dt+k(AB+Ay-By-y^2)

dy/dt=ABk +Aky_Bky-ky^2
dy/dt=ABk + k(A-B)y-ky^2

dy/k(A-B)y-ky^2=(ABk) dt

Im stuck here
 
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An astronaut in a balloon in a height of 100ft? Well, whatever.
The initial velocity of the binoculars is not 0 as the balloon is rising, and you are mixing feet and meters (in g) here. This would be obvious if you would work with units, which is a good idea in physics.

(2) is easy if you consider the symmetry of the setup, or use energy conservation. If you want to go the long way, set s=0 and solve for t. v follows as a result of t.

In (3), it is impossible to calculate t without initial conditions. It is possible to calculate y where the change of y reaches its maximum.
 
mfb said:
An astronaut in a balloon in a height of 100ft? Well, whatever.
The initial velocity of the binoculars is not 0 as the balloon is rising, and you are mixing feet and meters (in g) here. This would be obvious if you would work with units, which is a good idea in physics.

(2) is easy if you consider the symmetry of the setup, or use energy conservation. If you want to go the long way, set s=0 and solve for t. v follows as a result of t.

In (3), it is impossible to calculate t without initial conditions. It is possible to calculate y where the change of y reaches its maximum.

for (1) if i put v=10,t=0 and s=100,t=0
i get v=-gt+10

and s=-4.9t^2+10t+100

-4.9t^2+10t+100=0

i get t as 5.65s

these should be the intial cdonditions?

for (3) how to calculate y where the change of y is max?
can you be more precise
 
I agree with your formulas for (1), but you are still mixing feet and meters.

for (3) how to calculate y where the change of y is max?
How can you calculate the point where something is maximal in general? Just use that.
 
Do you know what g is in units of ft/s^2?
 
mfb said:
I agree with your formulas for (1), but you are still mixing feet and meters.

How can you calculate the point where something is maximal in general? Just use that.


I solved the other two but (3) I'm still not able to do..Can you just show the starting steps to give me an idea? it would be better if you could solve it so that I can understand
 
I am sure you calculated the maximum of functions before. How did you do it? Just do the same here.

I don't think it would be useful if I solve it. It is against the forum rules, and you can find many solved examples of similar problems anyway.
Did you have a look at the derivative?
 
uknowwho said:
for (3) how to calculate y where the change of y is max?
So you're saying you want to find where the function dy/dt attains a maximum. As mfb has suggested, that should ring some bells.
 

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