Solving Equation 5n*[(2i)^(n-1)]=11520: Find n=? (Answer: n=9)

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation 5n*[(2i)^(n-1)] = 11520 for the variable n, where i represents the imaginary unit. Participants are exploring the implications of complex numbers and logarithms in this context.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to solve the equation, including the legality of using logarithms with complex numbers. There is mention of rewriting the equation and considering the implications of the powers of i. Some participants suggest trial and error as a viable approach, while others express concern about its appropriateness in a homework context.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing different perspectives on the problem. Some have provided insights into limiting the possible values of n based on the structure of the equation, while others are questioning the validity of certain methods. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but several productive lines of reasoning have emerged.

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Participants note that n must be a positive integer and that the powers of i must yield a positive real number, which influences the potential solutions. There is also a discussion about the implications of assuming negative values for n.

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5n*[(2i)^(n-1) ]=11520

n=?

the answer in the book is n=9

notice i = (-1)^0.5
how do i solve this equation

i tried to solve it in many ways including logarithims

but log and i (complex numbers)
i don't know if its legal to do

any way i didnt study this logarithims of i (complex numbers)
so i don't think that this is the right way.

please help
 
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transgalactic said:
5n*[(2i)^(n-1) ]=11520

n=?

the answer in the book is n=9

notice i = (-1)^0.5
how do i solve this equation

i tried to solve it in many ways including logarithims

but log and i (complex numbers)
i don't know if its legal to do

any way i didnt study this logarithims of i (complex numbers)
so i don't think that this is the right way.

please help

Of course, 5n(2i)n-1 is the same as 5n(2n-1)(in-1). But i to any power is one of i, -i, -1, and 1. Since the right hand side of the equation is a positive real number, in-1 must be equal to 1. This equation is exactly the same as n (2n-1)= 11520 (with the provision that n-1 must be a multiple of 4 so that the power of i is, in fact, +1). You still are not going to be able to solve that equation using logarithms- you have n both inside and outside a logarithm.

But since n must be a positive integer, there is nothing wrong with "trial and error"- it's just a little tedious. If n=1, then n-1= 0= 4(0), but obviously 5(1)(20)= 5 is NOT 11520. Okay, try n-1= 4, the next multiple of 4, so n= 5. Now 5(5)(24)= 25(16)= 400, not 11520. The next multiple of 4 is 8:if n-1= 8, then n= 9. 5(9)(28)= 45(256)= 11520. Got it!
 
are you sure that there is no other way?
because i don't think that my teacher would like this
trial and error technic
 
I agree with HOI, trial and error is the way to go. But, you can severely limit the possible values of n by simply looking at the original statement.

[tex]5n \cdot (2i)^{n-1} = 11520[/tex]

Now, if we assume n > 0 then 5n > 0, and therefore, so must the exponential. But, this will only occur for multiples of 4 plus 1. In other words:

[tex]n = 4m + 1[/tex] for some m = 0, 1, 2,...

A quick check of these values will land you an answer at m = 2, and thus, n = 9. Since the absolute value of the expression on the left is increasing without bound for n > 0, this is the only positive solution.

If, on the other hand, we assume n < 0, then 5n < 0, and therefore, so must the exponential. This will only occur for multiples of 4 minus 1. Thus:

[tex]n = 4m - 1[/tex] for some m = 0, -1, -2,...

However, note that for m = 0, we get a value of 5/4, and that for larger values of m, this result must be smaller. Therefore, there are no negative solutions.
 
thank a lot
 

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