Solving Equation to Analyze Steady State Current

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the steady state current in an electrical circuit using the equation ##V - iR - L\frac{di}{dt} = 0##. Participants are examining the derived expression for current over time and comparing it to a solution provided in a textbook.

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the current expression and the conditions for steady state. There are questions about the algebraic steps leading to the time calculation for reaching a certain percentage of the steady state current.

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Some participants have acknowledged potential errors in their calculations and have expressed uncertainty about the textbook's solution. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between their derived results and the book's claims, with suggestions to verify the calculations against the original equation.

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Participants note discrepancies between their findings and the textbook's answer, which suggests a different time to reach a specified current level. There is mention of possible misinterpretation of the problem statement or the official answer.

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Homework Statement
A solenoid (##L=230mH##) is connected to a constant voltage source via a resistive wire with resistance ##R=0.15\Omega##. Initially, the circuit is open.
How much time after closing the circuit is the current in the solenoid 10% less than the steady-state current?
Relevant Equations
##V-iR-L\frac{di}{dt}=0##
I set up the equation ##V-iR-L\frac{di}{dt}=0##, with ##i(0)## and by solving it I got ##i(t)=\frac{V}{R}(1-e^{-\frac{R}{L}t})##.
Then, since the steady state current is ##i_s=\frac{V}{R}## I imposed the condition ##i(t_1)=\frac{9}{10}\frac{V}{R}\Leftrightarrow \frac{9}{10}\frac{V}{R}=\frac{V}{R}(1-e^{-\frac{R}{L}t_1})\Leftrightarrow t_1=\frac{L}{R}\ln(10)\approx 3.53 s##, but this answer is different from the solution proposed in the book I took the problem from.

I don't see what I am doing wrong here, so I would appreciate if someone would point me in the right direction, thanks.
 
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lorenz0 said:
\frac{9}{10}\frac{V}{R}\Leftrightarrow \frac{9}{10}\frac{V}{R}=\frac{V}{R}(1-e^{-\frac{R}{L}}t_1)\Leftrightarrow t_1=\frac{L}{R}\ln(10)\approx 3.53 s##, but this answer is different from the solution proposed in the book I took the problem from.
##\frac{9}{10}\frac{V}{R}=\frac{V}{R}(1-e^{-\frac{R}{L}}t_1)##
looks OK but the next bit
##t_1=\frac{L}{R}\ln(10)##
doesn't follow. Check your algebra/arithmetic.


Whoops - sorry, see Post #4,
 
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Steve4Physics said:
##\frac{9}{10}\frac{V}{R}=\frac{V}{R}(1-e^{-\frac{R}{L}}t_1)##
looks OK but the next bit
##t_1=\frac{L}{R}\ln(10)##
doesn't follow. Check your algebra/arithmetic.
there was a typo in my answer (now corrected): the ##t## was part of the exponent and so the formula I had obtained should be correct.
 
lorenz0 said:
there was a typo in my answer: the ##t## was part of the exponent and so the formula I had obtained should be correct.
Apologies - I think your answer is correct.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
Apologies - I think your answer is correct.
The mistake was purely mine, thanks. Nonetheless the book claims the answer should be ##0.16s##.
 
lorenz0 said:
The mistake was purely mine, thanks. Nonetheless the book claims the answer should be ##0.16s##.
Why don't you put your value and the book's value in the equation for ##I(t)## and see which one gives you 10% less than the steady state current? Then you will have to decide if you believe the book or your own work.
 
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lorenz0 said:
The mistake was purely mine, thanks. Nonetheless the book claims the answer should be ##0.16s##.
0.16s is the time to reach 10% of the steady-state current. Probably not a coincidence!

Looks like the wording in the question is wrong/misleading or the person who worked out the ‘official’ answer misinterpreted the question.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
0.16s is the time to reach 10% of the steady-state current. Probably not a coincidence!

Looks like the wording in the question is wrong/misleading or the person who worked out the ‘official’ answer misinterpreted the question.
Thank you very much, no wonder I couldn't see what I was doing wrong.
 
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