Solving Factorial Notation Questions: An Explanation

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The discussion revolves around simplifying expressions involving factorial notation, specifically focusing on the expression (n-2)!(n+1)!/(n!)². Participants are exploring how to rewrite this expression without factorial symbols.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationships between factorials, such as n! being expressed in terms of (n-2)!, and the implications of canceling terms in the expression. There are attempts to clarify the steps involved in simplification and the reasoning behind certain cancellations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to simplifying the expression. Some participants have provided insights into how to express factorials in terms of one another, while others are questioning the validity of certain steps taken in the simplification process. No consensus has been reached, but there is productive dialogue regarding the correct interpretation of factorial relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions and properties of factorials, particularly in the context of simplifying expressions. There is a noted confusion regarding the correct application of factorial identities and the assumptions underlying the simplification process.

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Hey, I was wondering if someone could help me with a specific type of question that I can't seem to understand without an answer key. Anyway, it's rewriting expressions with factorial notation so that they no longer have factorial symbols.

Example:

Simplify without using the factorial symbol:
(n-2)!(n+1)!/(n!)²

The answer is: n+1/n(n-1)

What I don't understand is how you come to that conclusion. Can someone explain this to me?
 
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well, the key to solution is to notice that n!=(n-2)!*(n-1)*n and (n+1)!=n!*(n+1). also (n!)^2=n!*n!.
 
What is n! ?

It's n*(n-1)*(n-2)*(n-3)*...*1

What is (n-2)! and (n+1)! ?

If you write all of those out, you'll notice that certain terms cancel.

Edit: Or I guess a more direct approach would be to write n! in terms of (n-2)! like mantito has done.
 
Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I'm still stuck.

I guess I'll show you my work.

(n-2)!(n+1)!/(n!)²

= (n-2)(n-1)n!(n+1)!/n(n-1)(n-2)!(n!)

= (n+1)!/n!

What I have trouble with is I guess why the answer is (n+1)/n(n-1). Can I not just cancel out the factorial symbol without having to multiply (n-1)?
 
funktion said:
Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I'm still stuck.

I guess I'll show you my work.

(n-2)!(n+1)!/(n!)²

= (n-2)(n-1)n!(n+1)!/n(n-1)(n-2)!(n!)

= (n+1)!/n!

What I have trouble with is I guess why the answer is (n+1)/n(n-1). Can I not just cancel out the factorial symbol without having to multiply (n-1)?

I don`t understand your numerator..did you use (n-2)!=(n-2)(n-1) n! ??
That is incorrect!

You just have to write the (n+1)! as (n+1) n! and then write one of the n! of the denominator as n (n-1) (n-2)! and then all the factorials will cancel out leaving you with (n+1) / (n (n-1))

Patrick
 
nrqed said:
I don`t understand your numerator..did you use (n-2)!=(n-2)(n-1) n! ??
That is incorrect!

You just have to write the (n+1)! as (n+1) n! and then write one of the n! of the denominator as n (n-1) (n-2)! and then all the factorials will cancel out leaving you with (n+1) / (n (n-1))

Patrick
Thanks a bunch, but one more question: Why was mine incorrect?
 
Because n! = (n-2)! (n-1) n
 
funktion said:
Thanks a bunch, but one more question: Why was mine incorrect?
The numerator in your second step is wrong!
funktion said:
(n-2)!(n+1)!/(n!)²

= (n-2)(n-1)n!(n+1)!/n(n-1)(n-2)!(n!)

= (n+1)!/n!
If it reads:
(n - 2)! n! (n + 1) / (n (n - 1) (n - 2)! n!), then it's correct.
Note that:
[tex](n - 2)! \neq (n - 2) (n - 1) n![/tex]
The LHS can be expanded as:
(n - 2) (n - 3) (n - 4) ... 2 . 1
Whereas the RHS is:
n (n - 1)2 (n - 2)2 (n - 3) ... 2 . 1
And of course the LHS is not equal the RHS, right?
Can you get this? :)
 

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