Solving for a force eliminating acceleration

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The problem involves a worker applying a force to a box attached to a cart, with the goal of determining the frictional force acting on the box. The context includes concepts from dynamics, specifically Newton's laws of motion and force interactions between the box and cart.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the process of eliminating acceleration from the equations governing the system. There are attempts to understand how to manipulate the equations derived from free-body diagrams and Newton's laws to isolate variables.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, seeking clarification on the steps involved in eliminating acceleration and solving the simultaneous equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the approach to substituting variables, though there is still uncertainty about the process.

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There is mention of free-body diagrams and simultaneous equations, indicating that the problem may involve multiple unknowns and requires careful consideration of the forces at play. Participants express feelings of confusion and seek reassurance about their understanding of the concepts involved.

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Homework Statement



A worker applies a force of 210N to a box attached to a cart, with sufficient frictional force such that the box and the cart move as one. What is the frictional force on the box?

Force 1: Force on box by worker, FBW
Force 2: Force on cart by box, FCB
Force 3: Force on box by cart, FBC

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The Attempt at a Solution



This is from the solution, but I can't understand how it was obtained, as it doesn't explain the process:

FCB = McartA (I knew this part)
FBW - FBC = MboxA

"Since we want to solve for the unknown FCB = FBC, we eliminate A from these two equations and obtain:"

FCB = (Mcart*FBW)/(Mcart+Mbox)

I don't quite understand what they mean by "eliminate A" (hold it constant?), nor can I seem to deduce the process they used here.

I've tried substituting in McartA for FBC (since they're equal), but all that does is solve for A, which I'm evidently supposed to eliminate to begin with.
 
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This is from the solution, but I can't understand how it was obtained, as it doesn't explain the process:
They have started by drawing free-body diagrams for the box and the cart, then, for each diagram, summed the forces and used Newton's law.
This gives two simultanious equations and two unknowns ... how would you solve them?

I don't quite understand what they mean by "eliminate A"
Then mean that you solve for A in one equation and substitute it into the other one.
 
Simon Bridge said:
They have started by drawing free-body diagrams for the box and the cart, then, for each diagram, summed the forces and used Newton's law.
This gives two simultanious equations and two unknowns ... how would you solve them?

Then mean that you solve for A in one equation and substitute it into the other one.

The first became immediately obvious when I read the second. I feel really, -really- dumb right now; I really have no excuse for not getting that. Thanks for the help, much appreciated.
 
We all do that from time to time - sometimes a change in wording can make the mind go blank.
 

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