What is the ranking of forces in a problem on ranking forces?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the ranking of forces acting on two boxes moving upwards at constant velocity. The original poster attempts to analyze the forces, including gravitational, static, and kinetic frictional forces, while considering Newton's laws.

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  • Participants explore the relationships between various forces acting on the boxes, questioning how to rank static and kinetic frictional forces relative to gravitational forces. Some suggest considering the forces separately for each box, while others express uncertainty about the logic behind certain assumptions.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the force balance equations and the relationships between forces. Some participants have provided guidance to focus on the correct equations rather than the ranking of forces. There is an indication of differing interpretations regarding the forces acting on the boxes.

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Participants note that the problem may involve assumptions about friction and the effects of constant velocity, and there is mention of a lack of explicit consensus on the correct approach to the problem.

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( i have put numerous different forces into the answer box and nothing worked. i was just taking a screenshot of problem here)
Edit: never mind about kinetic friction with wall i just saw that there is no friction with wall.
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netforceavertical = Fpah - mg - fstatic = 0
netforcebvertical = Fpba - mg - fstatic = 0
acceleration is equal to 0 for both boxes and velocity upwards so the pushing force is greater than mg, mg for box A is greater than mg for box B , not sure where the frictional forces between boxes would rank here but i know they would be equal from Newtons third law since both boxes are accelerating upwards at constant speed. the static frictional force between the two boxes are equivalent. There will also be a kinetic frictional force between the box B and the wall which would be negative so i think that would rank after the static frictional forces between the boxes. not sure if i am doing this correct
 

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Force between hand and A and A and B is equal since both moving up at constant velocity, this beats gravity forces and since A has more mass than B the FGAE>FGBE and these gravitational forces id imagine are greater than the equivalent static frictional forces between the two boxes?
 

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isukatphysics69 said:
Force between hand and A and A and B is equal since both moving up at constant velocity
I see no logic to that.
Consider the two blocks separately. List the vertical forces on each, and write out the "relevant equation" in each case.
 
haruspex said:
I see no logic to that.
Consider the two blocks separately. List the vertical forces on each, and write out the "relevant equation" in each case.
I think that's what the velocity arrow between the two are supposed to represent but i will do it
 
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Force pushing on A greater than force gravity on A, There is no pushing force on B so i omit that. gravity on a > gravity on b and static frictional forces are equal Newtons third law pair. There is no pushing force on b but a normal force as a result from block A pushing on it which is a horizontal force not vertical
 

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isukatphysics69 said:
I think that's what the velocity arrow between the two are supposed to represent but i will do it
Yes, they are both moving at the same constant velocity, but that does not mean FHAH=FHBA.
 
haruspex said:
Yes, they are both moving at the same constant velocity, but that does not mean FHAH=FHBA.
i post something above ^
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isukatphysics69 said:
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Force pushing on A greater than force gravity on A, There is no pushing force on B so i omit that. gravity on a > gravity on b and static frictional forces are equal Newtons third law pair. There is no pushing force on b but a normal force as a result from block A pushing on it which is a horizontal force not vertical
I encourage you to stop thinking about the ranking for now and concentrate on getting the right force balance equations.
 

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