Solving for b^2+c^2 with Function and Mapping

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The discussion revolves around finding the value of b² + c² in the context of a one-to-one function defined by f(x) = x³ + 3x² + 4x + b sin(x) + c cos(x). Participants are exploring the properties of the function, particularly its monotonicity and the implications for the inequality involving its derivative.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the approach of analyzing the derivative to establish monotonicity. There are attempts to relate the inequality derived from the derivative to the values of b² and c², with some questioning how to incorporate trigonometric expressions into their reasoning.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and insights. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of trigonometric identities and completing the square, but there is no explicit consensus on the relationship between b² and c² at this stage.

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There are indications of difficulty in expressing certain mathematical features, such as using the exponent feature, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. Additionally, the original poster expresses appreciation for the collaborative nature of the forum, highlighting a contrast with their previous experiences in seeking help.

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The function is one-one find the value of b^2+c^2[f(x)=x^3+3x^2+4x+bsinx+ccosxI tried the approach of monotonocity as a one one function will be strictly inc or decreasing in it's domain but I'm not being able to figure out b^2+c^2
 
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welcome to pf!

hi abhip! welcome to pf! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

hint: what is df/dx ? :wink:
 
i had tried tat approach of finding df(x)/dx>=0 but can't relate to what has to be found in the question.
 
abhip said:
i had tried tat approach of finding df(x)/dx>=0 …

show us what you got :smile:
 
3x^2+6x+4>=csinx-bcosx x belongs to real numbers not how to get a relation with b^2 and C^2 sorry I am finding it difficult using the exponent feature
 
abhip said:
3x^2+6x+4>=csinx-bcosx

now complete the square :wink:
 
but how and what to replace the trigonometric expression on RHS of the inequality with
as for LHS it can be written as 3(x+1)^2 +1
 
abhip said:
3(x+1)^2 +1

so the minimum of that is … ? :smile:

(oooh, almost forgot … use one of your trigonometric identities to simplify csinx-bcosx :wink:)
 
1... but what about b^2 +c^2 how do i introduce them into the inequality because i have a trigonometric expression on the RHS
 
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Oh thank you i got it now using polar coordinates...thank you very much...love this forum..it's good that you people are able to solve our doubts it's just impossible getting doubts cleared back at my place as the teachers themselves submit on seeing such doubts...and what i like most is u directly didn't pop the answer it gave me a feeling as if i had been involved in the whole process
 

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