Solving for dy/dx: $\sqrt{y}\cos^2{\sqrt{y}}$

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation for dy/dx given by the expression $\sqrt{y}\cos^2{\sqrt{y}}$. Participants explore integration techniques and the implications of integrating both sides of the equation, while also addressing the need for integration constants.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose starting from the equation $\d{y}{x}=\frac{1}{7}\sqrt{y}\cos^2{\sqrt{y}}$ and rewriting it in differential form as $dy=\frac{1}{7}\sqrt{y}\cos^2{\sqrt{y}} \, dx$.
  • There is a challenge regarding the division by $\frac{1}{7}$ on the left side, with a suggestion to integrate both sides instead.
  • Participants discuss the substitution $u = \sqrt{y}$ and the resulting integral $\int{ \frac{\mathrm{d}u}{\cos^2{ \left( u \right) } } } = \int{ \frac{1}{14}\,\mathrm{d}x }$.
  • Some participants assert that the integration leads to the expression $\tan\left({\sqrt{y}}\right)=\frac{x}{14}+C$, questioning whether this is correct.
  • There is a note that both sides of the equation should include an integration constant, but they can be combined on one side.
  • A later reply expresses a reluctance to solve for y, indicating a preference to leave the expression as is.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the final form of the solution or the necessity of integration constants, as some express uncertainty about the correctness of the integration process and the handling of constants.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential oversight of integration constants and the implications of combining them, as well as the assumption that the integration steps are straightforward.

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$\displaystyle
\d{y}{x}=\frac{1}{7}\sqrt{y}\cos^2{\sqrt{y}} \\
$
then
$\displaystyle dy=\frac{1}{7}\sqrt{y}\cos^2{\sqrt{y}} \, dx$
and then
$\displaystyle \frac{dy}{\frac{1}{7}\sqrt{y}\cos^2{\sqrt{y}} }=\frac{1}{7} \, dx$
and then ?
 
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karush said:
$\displaystyle
\d{y}{x}=\frac{1}{7}\sqrt{y}\cos^2{\sqrt{y}} \\
$
then
$\displaystyle dy=\frac{1}{7}\sqrt{y}\cos^2{\sqrt{y}} \, dx$
and then
$\displaystyle \frac{dy}{\frac{1}{7}\sqrt{y}\cos^2{\sqrt{y}} }=\frac{1}{7} \, dx$
and then ?

First of all, as you have kept the $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{1}{7} \end{align*}$ on the RHS you should NOT have divided it on the left. You should have

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\sqrt{y}\,\cos^2{\left( \sqrt{y} \right) }} } &= \int{ \frac{1}{7}\,\mathrm{d}x } \\ \int{ \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{2\,\sqrt{y}\,\cos^2{ \left( \sqrt{y} \right) } } } &= \int{ \frac{1}{14}\,\mathrm{d}x } \end{align*}$

Substitute $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \sqrt{y} \implies \mathrm{d}u = \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{2\,\sqrt{y}} \end{align*}$ giving

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{\mathrm{d}u}{\cos^2{ \left( u \right) } } } &= \int{ \frac{1}{14}\,\mathrm{d}x } \end{align*}$

These should both be easy to integrate now.
 
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
\int{ \frac{{d}u}{\cos^2{ \left( u \right) } } } &= \int{ \frac{1}{14}\, {d}x }
\end{align*}
$\textit{using the standard integrals}$

$\displaystyle\tan\left({u}\right)=\frac{x}{14}$

$u = \sqrt{y}$

$\displaystyle\tan\left({ \sqrt{y}}\right)=\frac{x}{14}$

$\textit{done ?}$
 
karush said:
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
\int{ \frac{{d}u}{\cos^2{ \left( u \right) } } } &= \int{ \frac{1}{14}\, {d}x }
\end{align*}
$\textit{using the standard integrals}$

$\displaystyle\tan\left({u}\right)=\frac{x}{14}$

$u = \sqrt{y}$

$\displaystyle\tan\left({ \sqrt{y}}\right)=\frac{x}{14}$

$\textit{done ?}$

Plus a constant.
 
Prove It said:
Plus a constant.
$\displaystyle\tan\left({ \sqrt{y}}\right)=\frac{x}{14}+C$

really?
 
karush said:
$\displaystyle\tan\left({ \sqrt{y}}\right)=\frac{x}{14}+C$

really?

Technically as you have integrated on both sides, both sides need an integration constant, but since they can then be combined on one side, yes what you have here is correct.

You could then solve for y if you really wanted to...
 
too lazy.. I leave it the way it is.😎
 

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