Solving Inequality Problem 5: xyz=1

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The discussion revolves around proving inequalities involving positive real numbers \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\) under the constraint \(xyz = 1\). The specific inequalities to be proven are related to symmetric expressions involving these variables.

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  • Participants explore various methods to prove the inequalities, including the application of the AM-GM inequality and rewriting expressions to facilitate comparison. There are attempts to simplify the inequalities and questions about the inspiration behind certain rearrangements.

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Several participants have provided hints and partial approaches, suggesting different ways to manipulate the inequalities. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables and the implications of the AM-GM inequality. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and seek clarification on specific steps.

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Participants are working under the assumption that \(x\), \(y\), and \(z\) are positive real numbers, and they are trying to prove the inequalities with equality conditions specified. There is a focus on ensuring that the proofs account for the equality case when \(x = y = z = 1\).

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5. Suppose that x, y and z are positive real numbers such that xyz = 1.
(a) Prove that
27 \leq(1 + x + y)^{2} + (1 + y + z)^{2} + (1 + z + x)^{2}

with equality if and only if x = y = z = 1.
(b) Prove that
(1 + x + y)^{2} + (1 + y + z)^{2} + (1 + z + x)^{2} \leq 3(x + y + z)^{2}

with equality if and only if x = y = z = 1.

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't really how to prove this. I can visualize the truth in my head but I don't know where to start a proof. Does anyone know any particular methods to solve symmetric equalities such as this one? I'm trying to see a nice way to simplify it or introduce a substitution but i can't see anything. Thanks
 
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You know that xyz=1 so that would be a good start. And also the sqrt could be taken on each side and then you just subsittute till you have something which you know is greater than \sqrt{27}
 
Hints:

5. (a) Rewriting the expressions a bit, can you equivalently prove that (x+1)^2 + (y+1)^2 + (z+1)^2 + xy + yz + zx \geq 15

5. (b) Put x + y + z = S_1
xy + yz + zx = S_2

and rewrite the expressions.

Now can you equivalently prove that
2S_2 \geq 4S_1 + 3 - S_1^2
 
ok i can see how you rearranged the first inequality but i still don't know where to go from there ? ? ? And may i ask where the inspiration came from to arrange the inequality in that way? Sorry, i don't have much experience solving this kind of problem, so any tips would help immensely! Thanks
 
The idea is to apply the AM-GM-HM inequality at some stage or the other. If you keep that in mind, you can try to manipulate the expressions accordingly.

Can you see that


(x+1)^2 \geq 4x
(y+1)^2 \geq 4y
(z+1)^2 \geq 4z

Can you try to complete the proof now? Let me know if you need more help.
 
Oh yes i can see, it comes from the fact that (x-1)^2 ≥ 0
So logically it seems to me to try prove

4x + 4y + 4z + xy + yz +xz ≥ 15

Applying AM-GM we get :

(4x + 4y + 4z) ≥ 12

So now we have

xy + yz + zx ≥ 3

which is equivalent to

1/x + 1/y + 1/z ≥ 3

Now I am stuck :P
 
A simpler way to complete the proof is to use the following facts:
x + y + z \geq 3 and xy + yz + zx \geq 3

These facts follow from the AM-GM-HM inequality:

\frac{x+y+z}{3} \geq (xyz)^{\frac{1}{3}} \geq \frac{3}{\frac{1}{x} + \frac{1}{y} + \frac{1}{z}}

Which means, \frac{x+y+z}{3} \geq 1 \geq \frac{3}{xy + yz + zx}

[From the above line, your required proof also follows immediately!]
 
dibyendu said:
Now can you equivalently prove that
2S_2 \geq 4S_1 + 3 - S_1^2

I tried doing that, however i got 2S_1 rather than 4S_1, did you make an error calculating or was that me?
 
Please check my calculations. I did it in a hurry.

We are required TPT (S_1 - x + 1)^2 + (S_1 - y + 1)^2 + (S_1 - z + 1)^2 \leq 3S_1^2

Simplifying, we find that we are required TPT
S_1^2 - 2S_2 \leq 2S_1^2 - 4S_1 - 3
i.e., TPT 2S_2 \geq 4S_1 + 3 - S_1^2
 
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sorry, yes, you're completely right, i must have made a mistake. Ok so is this logic ok?
2S2 ≥ 3 + S1(4-S1)
Well we already know that S1≥3 and S2 ≥ 3
So 2S2 ≥ 6
On the other hand, if we wish to maximise the right hand side of the equation, we want S1 to be its minimum, 3, hence the maximum value of the r.h.s. = 3 + 3(4-3) =6
So minimum l.h.s. = 6, max r.h.s. = 6, hence l.h.s. ≥ r.h.s
Equality occurs if x = y = z = 1, because at these values, the min and max, respectively, occur.
Is that rigorous enough a proof? I still didnt manage to prove that equality occurs if and only if x =y =z =1? Thanks
 
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Observe that
4S_1 + 3 - S_1^2 = 7 - (S_1 - 2)^2

Since S_1 \geq 3 the RHS is always \leq 6

Finally the LHS is always \geq 6 and the RHS is always \leq 6, which completes the proof.

You can solve the equality case by considering the equations LHS = RHS = 6
 
  • #12
Ah ok cool, I had tried factoring and leaving a seven outside too before going back and corssing out my work, but I think be both came to the same conclusion. Many thanks for your help dibyendu!
 
  • #13
You are most welcome, Evansmiley. It's my pleasure.
 

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