Solving Jackson's 3rd Ed. Equations Involving A, L and g

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The discussion revolves around equations presented in Jackson's 3rd edition, specifically focusing on the relationships involving the matrix exponential, determinants, and metric tensors. Participants express doubts and seek clarification on the mathematical properties and implications of these equations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assumption behind the equation $$det(e^L) = e^{Tr L}$$ and whether a specific type of matrix L is required for this equality to hold.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the equation $$g\widetilde{A}g = e^{{g\widetilde{L}g}}$$ and whether it implies that the metric tensor is equal to the exponential of itself.
  • A later reply suggests that if g represents the metric tensor for Minkowski spacetime, then certain properties such as $$g^2 = I$$ and $$g = g^{-1}$$ could be relevant to understanding the equation.
  • One participant clarifies that the relationship between A and L does not imply that A or L are metrics, which raises further questions about their roles in the equations.
  • Another participant notes that the second question relates to a Taylor expansion, indicating a shift in understanding but does not resolve the underlying conceptual issues.
  • There is a correction from a participant stating that there are no approximations in the mathematical expressions discussed, emphasizing the exact nature of the relationships presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the equations, with some clarifying their thoughts while others challenge or refine earlier claims. There is no consensus on the implications of the equations or the nature of the relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific pages and equations from Jackson's text, indicating that their discussion is grounded in the context of advanced mathematical physics. The discussion highlights the complexity of the concepts and the need for careful interpretation of the relationships between the variables involved.

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I am reading Jackson's book, where on (p.545) I got some doubts.
In Jackson, (3rd edition p. 545), there are equations they are given as,
$$A = e^L $$
$$det A = det(e^L) = e^{Tr L}$$
$$g\widetilde{A}g = A^{-1} $$
$$ A = e^L , g\widetilde{A}g = e^{{g\widetilde{L}g}} , A^{-1} = e^{-L}$$
$$ g\widetilde{L}g = -L $$

I have several doubts.

1) $$det(e^L) = e^{TrL}$$ How determinant is equal to RHS of equation?, does here are we assuming there is special type of L ?

2) Now in $$ g\widetilde{A}g = e^{{g\widetilde{L}g}}$$, How is it possible to have $$g = e^{g}?$$
 
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yes doubts are questions.
Oh, I come to know about the first part but still for second question how is it possible to have metric tensor equal to exponential of metric tensor?
 
anbhadane said:
but still for second question how is it possible to have metric tensor

Is ##g## the matrix for the metric tensor for Minkowski spacetime in Cartesian coordinates? If so, then ##g^2## = ##I## and ##g = g^{-1}##. Consequently,
$$\begin{align}
e^{g \tilde L g} &= e^{g \tilde L g^{-1}} \\
&= I + g \tilde L g^{-1} + \frac{1}{2!} \left( g \tilde L g^{-1} \right)^2 + \frac{1}{3!} \left( g \tilde L g^{-1} \right)^3 + \ldots \\
&= I + g \tilde L g^{-1} + \frac{1}{2!} g \tilde L g^{-1} g \tilde L g^{-1} + \frac{1}{3!} g \tilde L g^{-1} g \tilde L g^{-1} g \tilde L g^{-1} + \ldots \\
&= g I g^{-1} + g \tilde L g^{-1} + \frac{1}{2!} g \tilde L^2 g^{-1} + + \frac{1}{3!} g \tilde L^3 g^{-1} +\ldots \\
&= g \left( \tilde L + \frac{1}{2!} \tilde L^2 + \frac{1}{3!} \tilde L^3 + \dots \right) g^{-1} \\
&= g e^{\tilde L} g^{-1} .
\end{align}$$
 
anbhadane said:
Oh, I come to know about the first part but still for second question how is it possible to have metric tensor equal to exponential of metric tensor?
He has that ##A=e^L##, here ##A## isn't a metric, neither is ##L##.
 
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Now I got it. I was thinking in very different way. First one was easy, and second one is essentially taylor expansion. But here we are just taking approximation, thank you all of you.
 
anbhadane said:
Now I got it. I was thinking in very different way. First one was easy, and second one is essentially taylor expansion. But here we are just taking approximation, thank you all of you.
There are no approximations. What George Jones wrote is exact.
 
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Oh,sorry , got it.
 
Oh, similar way of expansion, calculations on 547, are done. In Jackson's (p.547) equation such as (11.94) , (11.96), (11.98) are expanded by Taylor expansion.
 

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