Solving Laplace's Equation in Polar Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the process of solving Laplace's equation in polar coordinates, specifically transitioning from Cartesian coordinates. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation and notation involved in this transformation.

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  • One participant presents Laplace's equation as u''(x) + u''(t) and expresses a desire to switch to polar coordinates, indicating difficulty in using the chain rule for this transformation.
  • Another participant corrects the notation, suggesting it should be u_{xx} + u_{tt} = 0, and provides a detailed explanation of how to convert derivatives from Cartesian to polar coordinates using the chain rule.
  • A third participant reiterates the initial claim about Laplace's equation and emphasizes the need for clarity in notation, suggesting that the variable "t" is typically associated with time and may not be appropriate in this context.
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Participants express disagreement regarding the notation and the appropriate variables to use in the context of Laplace's equation. There is no consensus on the correct formulation or approach to the problem, as multiple viewpoints and corrections are presented.

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There are unresolved issues related to notation, particularly the use of "t" in Laplace's equation, which is typically not associated with this equation. Additionally, there are technical limitations regarding the rendering of mathematical expressions that may affect understanding.

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Let u=u(x,t). Then laplace's equation is u''(x) + u''(t)=0 I want to switch to polar co-0rdinates so u=u(r,theta) and deduce laplace's equation from the cartesian form.

I tried using the chain rule but couldn't quite get there.
 
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First, "u''(x)" and "u''(t)" is bad notation. What you have written implies that u is a function of a single variable and that you have chosen to call that variable "x" in one case and "t" in the other. What you mean should be written as u_{xx}+ u_{tt}= 0.

You convert from rectangular coordinates to polar coordinates using the chain rule.

$\dfrac{\partial u}{\partial x}= \dfrac{\partial u}{\partial r}\dfrac{\partial r}{\partial x}+ \dfrac{\partial u}{\partial \theta}\dfrac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}$

Of course, $r= (x^2+ t^2)^{1/2}$ so that

$\dfrac{\partial r}{\partial x}= (1/2)(x^2+ t^2)^{-1/2}(2x)= \dfrac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+ t^2}}= \dfrac{r \cos(\theta)}{r}= \cos(\theta)$

and $\theta= \arctan(t/x)$ so that

$\dfrac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}= \dfrac{1}{1+ t^2/x^2}(-t/x^2)= \dfrac{-t}{x^2+ t^2}= \dfrac{-r \sin(\theta)}{r^2}= -\dfrac{1}{r}\sin(\theta)$

Now repeat that to get $\partial^2 u/\partial x^2$ in terms of r and $\theta$ and do the same thing for the derivatives with respect to t.

(Your choice of "t", which more often represents "time", as the second variable is a little odd. Normally, if you want to change to polar coordinates you are thinking of a geometric situation with x and y coordinates. You are, of course, welcome to use whatever letters you want but I have used $t= r \sin(\theta)$.)
 
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Poirot said:
Let u=u(x,t). Then laplace's equation is u''(x) + u''(t)=0 I want to switch to polar co-0rdinates so u=u(r,theta) and deduce laplace's equation from the cartesian form.

I tried using the chain rule but couldn't quite get there.

You could start by sorting out your notation. Laplace's equation is usually written

\[u_{xx}(x,y)+u_{yy}(x,y)=0\]

or:

\[\nabla^2 u=0 \]

\(t\) usually represents time and does not appear in Laplace's equation.You seem to be conflating Laplace's equation with the wave equation. Could you please post the original question exactly as asked?

CB
 
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